dylanduck writes "How do you defend a ship against torpedoes? According to the US Navy, you line the hull with loudspeakers and blast the incoming missile with such a devastating blast of sounds that it explodes." When asked about the possible ecological effects on marine life the military had no comment. Sonic Torpedo Defense Log in/Create an Account | Top | 376 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 376 comments 0: 366 comments 1: 276 comments 2: 172 comments 3: 38 comments 4: 20 comments 5: 19 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. (1) | 2 It works because.... (Score:5, Funny) by JudgeFurious (455868) on Monday October 10, @08:06PM (#13760543) "This one goes to 11" [ Reply to ThisRe:It works because.... by EggyToast (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:21PMRe:It works because.... by fastgood (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:01PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It works because.... by beefypirate (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:27PM Re:It works because.... (Score:4, Insightful) by Stripe7 (571267) on Monday October 10, @08:34PM (#13760757) Does it work in the lab, possibly. Does it work in deployment? Hooked up to a ship that has been out of port for 8 months, corrosion barnacles etc.. will it work at that time? Pretty much do not care about ecological effects, those are mitigated by the far more disastrous effects of a damaged/destroyed ship. What concerns me is the cost of deploying a high maintenance system that becomes ineffective when deployed for long durations. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:It works because.... by TykeClone (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:48PMRe:It works because.... by Shant3030 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @11:26PMRe:It works because.... by JudgeFurious (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:17PMRe:It works because.... by Burz (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:34PM Re:It works because.... (Score:5, Insightful) by Anonymous Luddite (808273) on Monday October 10, @09:55PM (#13761172) (http://www.britishcolumbiavacation.info/) >> barnacles etc.. Doesn't the U.S. Navy paint all its' hulls with a really nasty paint to kill off/prevent encrustation? If my faded memory serves it was a cost saver - smooth hulls require less power to go the same speed... [ Reply to This | ParentNot just for the navy... by flawedgeek (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:28PMRe:Not just for the navy... by qeveren (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:37PMRe:Not just for the navy... by NeoSkandranon (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @12:03AMRe:It works because.... by sponga (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:47PMRe:It works because.... by John Hasler (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:55PMRe:It works because.... by KillShill (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:45PMRe:It works because.... by SpinJaunt (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:49PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Same thing. by Wilson_6500 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:17PMRe:Same thing. by tsm_sf (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:33PMRe:Same thing. by CastrTroy (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:00PMRe:Same thing. by Martin Blank (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:10PMRe:Same thing. by brian0918 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. marine life? (Score:5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10, @08:07PM (#13760550) When asked about the possible ecological effects on marine life the military had no comment.We care... why? My guess is that a large sonic blast is going to be a lot less harmful than a torpedo detonating. But that's just me. [ Reply to This Re:marine life? (Score:5, Interesting) by nurb432 (527695) on Monday October 10, @08:09PM (#13760574) (http://slashdot.org/~nurb432/ | Last Journal: Friday August 27, @04:24PM) Except in this case you get both.. ( even the summary stated this ).But, its once again a trade off.. Man or Animal.War isnt always fair. [ Reply to This | Parent Re:marine life? (Score:5, Insightful) by ScentCone (795499) on Monday October 10, @08:19PM (#13760649) Except in this case you get both.. ( even the summary stated this ).Sure, but when you do get both, what you don't get is a giant ship sinking, spilling fuel oil or nuclear waste, weapons (er, and potentially thousands of lives) into the ocean. An economical, strategic, tactical, and ecological bargain. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:marine life? by Mathonwy (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:46PMRe:marine life? by sdpuppy (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:39PMRe:marine life? by Velox_SwiftFox (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:53AM Re:marine life? (Score:5, Insightful) by helix_r (134185) on Monday October 10, @08:46PM (#13760828) For every time that particular countermeasure is used in combat, it will have been used thousands upon thousands of times in open water testing and war gaming. That really could have an adverse effect on wild life.It would be very irresponsible to develop this weapon without clear data on what effect it has on wildlife. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:marine life? by sjs132 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:58PMRe:marine life? by IWannaBeAnAC (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:04PMRe:marine life? by FhnuZoag (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:16PMRe:marine life? by KylePflug (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:27PMRe:marine life? by STrinity (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:51PMRe:marine life? by CastrTroy (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:09PMRe:marine life? by KylePflug (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:17PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:marine life? (Score:5, Insightful) by schotty (519567) on Monday October 10, @09:15PM (#13760992) So some whale is more important than the men and women on the subs?Somehow I cant see that as being the case. If its Joe Blow or Shammoo, I'll vote for Joe. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:marine life? by efuzzyone (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:39PMRe:marine life? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:39PMRe:marine life? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:12PMRe:marine life? by Short Circuit (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:24PMRe:marine life? by vandan (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:08PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:marine life? by kpang (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:44PMRe: a vote for shamu IS a vote for joe blow by s388 (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @01:00AMRe:marine life? by bitingduck (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:50PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Not even close... (Score:5, Informative) by DnemoniX (31461) on Monday October 10, @09:51PM (#13761157) I am a former sailor in the US Navy, my particular job was working with the Aegis weapon systems. Just because the system is installed on board doesn't imply that it gets used during a simulation or exercise. We have missiles and guns but very rarely ever fire a live round during training. We have electronic counter measures but those do not get set off either. Why waste the equipment and materials if they can be simulated via computer instead? But then how do you know the stuff works? Every bit of equipment has a planned maintenance schedule that is closely followed. This includes tests based daily, weekly, monthly, yearly etc. They are also very aware of the potential dangers, more so than you that is clear. The Navy is very careful about operating withing specific guidelines when it comes to the environment, they observe all of the whale habitats along the US costal waters and any other environmentaly sensative areas. [ Reply to This | ParentSonar by criquet (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:marine life? by raddan (Score:3)Monday October 10, @09:52PMRe:marine life? by traveyes (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:28PMRe:marine life? by Bastian (Score:3)Monday October 10, @10:59PMRe:marine life? by Stickerboy (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:51AMRe:marine life? by HD Webdev (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:04AMRe:marine life? by NanoGator (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:00PMRe:marine life? by DaltonRS (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:22PMRe:marine life? by FredThompson (Score:3)Tuesday October 11, @12:44AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:marine life? by SEAL (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:46PMRe:marine life? by aliquis (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:54PMRe:marine life? by ethanrider (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:01PMRe:marine life? by aliquis (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:15PMPETA... by Saeed al-Sahaf (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:40PMRe:PETA... by Liam Slider (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:58PMnow correct me... by zogger (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:03PMRe:now correct me... by ScentCone (Score:2)Monday October 10, @11:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:marine life? by Shoten (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:31PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:marine life? (Score:5, Insightful) by Carnildo (712617) on Monday October 10, @08:17PM (#13760631) (http://secondlife.com/ | Last Journal: Monday December 27, @09:12PM) Neither a sonic blast nor a torpedo exploding will cause the harm of a ship sinking. Which would you expect to be worse: short-term, localized effects of a pressure wave, or a massive oil slick from ruptured fuel tanks? [ Reply to This | Parent Re:marine life? (Score:5, Insightful) by Futaba-chan (541818) on Monday October 10, @08:22PM (#13760676) Or, worse, an entire nuclear reactor.... [ Reply to This | ParentNuclear vs. gas by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:34PMRe:Nuclear vs. gas by X0563511 (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:49PMRe:Nuclear vs. gas by WindBourne (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:06AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Nuclear vs. gas by ozmanjusri (Score:2)Monday October 10, @11:29PMRe:marine life? by Short Circuit (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:31PMRe:marine life? by kubrick (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @12:04AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:marine life? by th4tGuy() (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:27PM Re:marine life? (Score:5, Informative) by Ironsides (739422) on Monday October 10, @08:36PM (#13760773) (Last Journal: Monday May 09, @05:20PM) Not only an oil slick, but also the nuclear fuel of the reactor of most modern US Navy ships. Who knows if the reactor would withstand the torpedo explosion. If there are any nuclear warheads onboard the same goes from them. Currently the only modern US navy ships with reactors are the Carriers and the Subs. The last of the non-carrier surface ships to have a reactor was a destroyer or cruiser (whichever is larger) and either has been or is being decomisioned. However, carriers still cary fuel for other ships in the carrier group. As for the warheads, they probably will withstand the torpedo blast, assuming it is not too close to them. They can generally withstand a good impact, such as has been demonstrated when a few have hit the ground/water due to mid air accidents. The big question is whether the reactors (yes, plural) could take the hit. Although, in modern warfare the goal is generally not to hit the ship with the torpedo directly, but to explode it underneath the keel. This causes a vacuum/air bubble underneath the keel causing it to break and cracking the ship in two. The ship sinks quicker this way and with fewer "hits". Mind you, I'm a bit biased in this due to the number of military personel I know. I'm all for this defense system if it helps keep ships from being hit. [ Reply to This | Parent[OT] Nuclear powered surface ships by RetiredMidn (Score:3)Monday October 10, @11:01PMRe:[OT] Nuclear powered surface ships by Ironsides (Score:2)Monday October 10, @11:39PMRe:marine life? by iamlucky13 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @11:01PMRe:marine life? by Samrobb (Score:2)Monday October 10, @11:15PMRe:marine life? by SEAL (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:42PMRe:marine life? by surprise_audit (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:25AMRe:marine life? by Junior J. Junior III (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:23PMRe:marine life? by EggyToast (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:25PMRe:marine life? by KingVance (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:32PMRe:marine life? by bigtrike (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:00PM Kidney stones and sound waves.... (Score:5, Interesting) by WallaceAndGromit (910755) on Monday October 10, @08:34PM (#13760754) Actually, being an acoustician, I would be willing to bet that they would use a phased array of loudspeakers. With the correct phasing of the speakers, some pre-determined "point" in the water could be driven to very high sound pressure levels, while the remaining ambient noise, while still loud, may not be all that dangerous. This would occur as a transient excitation from the various loudspeakers propagates away from the source and coalesces at the point in the water where the torpedo is located, the point where a very large pressure spike is generated. There are plenty of smart researchers in the navy and I have my doubts that they would use anything other than a phased array. And by the way, this is the same methodology that they use to destroy kidney stones. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Kidney stones and sound waves.... by sanx (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:53PMRe:Kidney stones and sound waves.... by KylePflug (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:30PMRe:Kidney stones and sound waves.... by rogue555 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:01PMRe:Kidney stones and sound waves.... by Mr. Underbridge (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:54PMRe:Kidney stones and sound waves.... by Technician (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:42AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Let the libs absorb the torpedos! by Anonymous Coward (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:50PMRe:Let the libs absorb the torpedos! by bryan8m (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:05PMRe:marine life? by BalloonMan (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:48PMRe:marine life? by mjtg (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:38PMRe:marine life? by NormalVisual (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:04AM3 replies beneath your current threshold. Consider the consequences... (Score:5, Funny) by djblair (464047) * on Monday October 10, @08:07PM (#13760556) (http://www.ltusigmapi.com/) We need to be cautious, as Britney Spears at 200db could have a devistating effect on the entire oceanic ecosystem. [ Reply to ThisRe:Consider the consequences... by Triumph The Insult C (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:15PMHold on... by game kid (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:21PMRe:Consider the consequences... by Fraew (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:00PMRe:Consider the consequences... by HermanAB (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:57PMRe:Consider the consequences... by kubrick (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @12:35AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Torpedo explodes due to sound? by Toloran (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:07PMRe:Torpedo explodes due to sound? by DaltonRS (Score:1)Monday October 10, @10:31PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.as if ... by croddy (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:07PMRe:as if ... by master_twig (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:59PMRe:as if ... by HD Webdev (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:12AMwhat do they play? by Geekboy(Wizard) (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:08PM I'll comment (Score:5, Funny) by Serveert (102805) on Monday October 10, @08:08PM (#13760563) Everyone on the ship will have all you can eat seafood for weeks.Bonus if you get some giant squid. [ Reply to ThisRe:I'll comment by gl4ss (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:57PM Re:I'll comment (Score:5, Insightful) by The Evil Couch (621105) on Monday October 10, @08:50PM (#13760854) (http://www.evilcouch.com/ | Last Journal: Friday January 10, @11:57AM) you sound like one of my privates bitching about having to carry food, water, batteries and nightvision for a day mission.the principle behind this tech is the same as most when it comes to military planning: It's better to have it and not need it, than it is to need it and not have it. 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Re:Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful) by ptbarnett (159784) on Monday October 10, @08:25PM (#13760703) And then theres the ecological damage from a sunken ship (petrol fuel, nuclear reactors possibly) that would also harm the environment long term, plus the explosion itself will be pretty darn loud. Reading TFA, the concern is not over the effects of sonic blast vs. sinking ship.The concern is the effect of open-water testing of the sonic blast against simulated or dummy threats in the ocean. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Who cares? by kcelery (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:23PMRed October by Matt_R (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:11PMWide-Area effects, not just local by billstewart (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:28PMRe:Wide-Area effects, not just local by WolfWithoutAClause (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:43PMIts more than dead sailors!!! by vmaxxxed (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:05PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Wires by romka1 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:09PMMonster Cable! by spyder913 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:17PMRe:Wires by SpookyFish (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:23PMEcological effects? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:09PMPrediction by EdwinBoyd (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:09PMRe:Prediction by sunwolf (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:44PMYeah, well.... by thesymbolicfrog (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:46PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Ecological Effects by dsgfh (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:10PMRe:Ecological Effects by TubeSteak (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:57PMEcowhat? by birge (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:10PMRe:Ecowhat? by akhomerun (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:18PMRe:Ecowhat? by birge (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:31PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Ecowhat? by Ironsides (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:48PMsinking ships by CiXeL (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:23PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Loud noises by Anonymous Coward (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:12PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.A better way? by sonofagunn (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Environmentally Sound to me by 9mm Censor (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:14PMHeh. Heheh. by NthDegree256 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:19PMRe:Heh. Heheh. by shawb (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:44PMRe:Environmentally Sound to me by Reverberant (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:27PMhm by EMH_Mark3 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:15PMNo Comment = by Arimatheus (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:15PMthink of the sharks with lasers by weighn (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:16PMHow hard to avoid this? by SpookyFish (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:15PMRe:How hard to avoid this? by khellendros1984 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:51PMRe:How hard to avoid this? by John Hasler (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:03PMRe:How hard to avoid this? by SpookyFish (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:13PM3 replies beneath your current threshold.I for one... by Keebler71 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:15PMBut what i want to know is by CiXeL (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:16PMRe:But what i want to know is by Keebler71 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @11:44PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.war is hell by uofitorn (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:15PMAgainst Who's Torpedoes? by copperheadclgp (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:15PM1983 by mxpengin (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:30PMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by LWATCDR (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:00PMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by Ironsides (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:03PMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by Thu Anon Coward (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:06PMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by copperheadclgp (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:33PMAgainst Russian Torpedos that Go 230/mph. by TheNarrator (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:24PMRe:Against Russian Torpedos that Go 230/mph. by copperheadclgp (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:36PMKursk by BSDevil (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:11PMRe:Kursk by akac (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @12:31AMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by HangingChad (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:35PMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by kd5ujz (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:50PMRe:Against Who's Torpedoes? by hengist (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:02PM4 replies beneath your current threshold.I don't know about you by earthforce_1 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:17PMActive defenses by RyanFenton (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:17PMDouglas Adams would be proud by Subacultcha (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:18PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Works for squirrels, too. by billstewart (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:19PMAside from the torpedo... by stdcallsign (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:20PMRe:Aside from the torpedo... by Thu Anon Coward (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:17PMFishing? by khellendros1984 (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:21PMRe:Fishing? by Sporkinum (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:37PMMarine Life by np_bernstein (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:22PMDolphins by Zecritic (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:24PMScrarmbled brains.. by NuclearRampage (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:25PMRe:Scrarmbled brains.. by The Ancients (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:59PMSonar systems? by HockeyPuck (Score:3)Monday October 10, @08:25PMRe:Sonar systems? by imsabbel (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:42PMSonarman by Derling Whirvish (Score:2)Monday October 10, @10:58PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.USS Cole by frankmu (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:29PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.The Mandatory Audiophile Joke by JoaoPinheiro (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:30PMNot for submarines by Reality Master 201 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:33PMRe:Not for submarines by squidguy (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:49PMdoes this really matter by jshaped (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:34PMSix of one by RomulusNR (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:36PMCounter measures by slashname3 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:39PMTorpedos? by Ian Peon (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:44PMRe:Torpedos? by John Hasler (Score:2)Monday October 10, @09:24PMSo this is what they were testing... by slashname3 (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:44PMHow long by Conspiracy_Of_Doves (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:45PMRe:How long by GameMaster (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:52PMSecret Weapon: by dcapel (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:45PMwhen asked about possible ecological effects, by iggymanz (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:46PMWould hate to be a sonar operator by Shivetya (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:46PMRe:Would hate to be a sonar operator by VoidWraith (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:51PMRe:Would hate to be a sonar operator by Ziviyr (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @12:24AMTranducers by fsterman (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:49PMNo wonder... by GhaleonStrife (Score:1)Monday October 10, @08:51PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Forcing obsolescence by redelm (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:54PMI say... by abonstu (Score:2)Monday October 10, @08:57PMActive noise suppression by Jonathan Burns (Score:1)Monday October 10, @09:06PM