UltimaGuy writes "Benoit Schillings, co-creator of the Be operating system and former CTO of Openwave, has been appointed to the newly created position of chief technology officer (CTO) at Trolltech. In the meantime, Trolltech has also joined the new mobile OSDL initiative."Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='programming,developers';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; Original BeOS Developer Now at Trolltech Log in/Create an Account | Top | 87 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 87 comments 0: 84 comments 1: 63 comments 2: 42 comments 3: 12 comments 4: 7 comments 5: 4 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement (Score:4, Informative) by gbulmash (688770) * <semi_famous&yahoo,com> on Tuesday October 18, @10:33PM (#13823583) (http://www.funnybutsick.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday May 22, @04:48AM) Unless you're doing pure open source GPL'ed programming, entry level for a version of QT you can use for commercial code is nearly $1800. You can't even use the free version to get your sea legs under you, because the license does not allow you to use code you wrote with the free version in the paid versions.Microsoft, Borland, etc. usually have an entry level version of most of their programming products (with which you can still write proprietary code) that is less than my car payment. Entry level on QT is more than my mortgage.Yes, they support open source, but unless you're an open source coder or a well-funded enterprise coder, they basically tell you to F off. I don't like that and it detracts from any excitement I could have about these announcements.- Greg [ Reply to ThisRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by NormalVisual (Score:3) Tuesday October 18, @10:41PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by eosp (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @10:52PMRe:Not exactly. by NormalVisual (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:10PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by xfmr_expert (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:56PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by grasshoppa (Score:3) Tuesday October 18, @10:44PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by qbwiz (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:46PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by NormalVisual (Score:3) Tuesday October 18, @11:26PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by KillShill (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:33AMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by LWATCDR (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:45PMRe:license issues by benjamindees (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:45PM Re:license issues (Score:5, Informative) by nighty5 (615965) on Tuesday October 18, @11:26PM (#13823858) Sure it does. It just doesn't allow you to distribute that code. You can sit down, write all the programs you'd like with the free version, test it out yourself, then switch to the commercial version when it's time to release.This is actually *NOT* the case. As per the QT license, you must BUY the licence before you start coding the application.Refer to the license FAQ: http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faqs/index.html ?catid=1953&id=182 [trolltech.com]"Can we use the Open Source Edition while developing our non-opensource application and then purchase commercial licenses when we start to sell it?No. Our commercial license agreements only apply to software that was developed with Qt under the commercial license agreement. They do not apply to code that was developed with the Qt Open Source Edition prior to the agreement. Any software developed with Qt without a commercial license agreement must be released as Open Source software." [ Reply to This | ParentRe:license issues by Trejkaz (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:33PMRe:license issues by nighty5 (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:39PMRe:license issues by John Hurliman (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:25AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:license issues by Spy Hunter (Score:3) Tuesday October 18, @11:39PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by civilizedINTENSITY (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:49PMBorland entry-level license by Latent Heat (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:13PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:26PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by be-fan (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:52AMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by billybob2 (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:31PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by Trejkaz (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:37PMRe:Issues With Trolltech Lower Excitement by elhedran (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:58PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. I predict (Score:2, Insightful) by eobanb (823187) on Tuesday October 18, @10:37PM (#13823599) (http://eoban.com/) I predict three types of comments here...1) BeOS was a great multimedia OS2) Trolltech's licencing schemes suck3) Gnome vs. KDE [ Reply to ThisRe:I predict by civilizedINTENSITY (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:52PMYou missed the obvious by toupsie (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:14AMRe:You missed the obvious by tautog (Score:1) Wednesday October 19, @12:19AMRe:I predict by KillShill (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:36AMWhat was BeOS really like? by Latent Heat (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:24PMRe:What was BeOS really like? by dlockamy (Score:1) Wednesday October 19, @12:10AM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Dear Trolltech (Score:5, Funny) by porksoda (253218) on Tuesday October 18, @10:37PM (#13823600) (http://www.understyled.org/) I was just wondering if it's at all possible for you guys to change your name from Trolltech to something less pleasant sounding. No, wait.... Not possible.Maybe.. Goatsetech?I dunno.But fire the guy who came up with that name, anyway.Sincerely,Common Sense [ Reply to ThisRe:Dear Trolltech by NoGuffCheck (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @10:45PMRe:Dear Trolltech by porksoda (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @10:47PMRe:Dear Trolltech by Lord Kano (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:19AMRe:Dear Trolltech by saskboy (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:08PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Dear Trolltech by Scott7477 (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:26PMRe:Dear Trolltech by catch23 (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:27PMIt's actually a good name by ari_j (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:59PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Trolltech.. (Score:1, Redundant) by nile_list (812696) on Tuesday October 18, @10:38PM (#13823603) (http://deadbox.ath.cx/) I've always been bothered by that name. Trolltech. Looking at Wikipedia's article [wikipedia.org], apparently the company is from Norway. Does "troll" mean something in Norwegian?I also see that they used be "Quasar Technologies." That seems a hell of a lot better than Trolltech. Maybe it will always be a mystery.sigh [ Reply to This Re:Trolltech.. (Score:5, Informative) by StonedRat (837378) on Tuesday October 18, @10:49PM (#13823657) (http://ryanwilliams.org/ | Last Journal: Friday January 28, @02:10PM) I think the troll in trolltech refers to :A supernatural creature of Scandinavian folklore, variously portrayed as a friendly or mischievous dwarf or as a giant, that lives in caves, in the hills, or under bridges.as aposed to people who troll for arguments which isTo trail (a baited line) in fishing. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Trolltech.. by Namronorman (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:03PMRe:Trolltech.. by ToasterofDOOM (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:11PMRe:Trolltech.. by Spy Hunter (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:47PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. The Zeta community gets smaller and smaller (Score:4, Insightful) by MysteriousMystery (708469) on Tuesday October 18, @10:46PM (#13823643) The community of BeOS loyalists just keeps shrinking it seems. I was reading on a popular BeOS news site that Microsoft hired some former Be programmers to work on Windows sound. Now trolltech has one of the co-creators of the BeOS. It really makes me wonder how much longer the small user base of BeOS users will last, especially since Zeta hasn't taken off due to its price. [ Reply to ThisRe:The Zeta community gets smaller and smaller by civilizedINTENSITY (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @10:55PMSomeone's gotta say it. by TheLittleJetson (Score:2) Tuesday October 18, @11:44PMRe:Someone's gotta say it. by Fandango (Score:1) Wednesday October 19, @12:37AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The Zeta community gets smaller and smaller by ChunderDownunder (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:45PMRe:The Zeta community gets smaller and smaller by dlockamy (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:57PMRe:The Zeta community gets smaller and smaller by MysteriousMystery (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:40AM So many initiatives, so little impact (Score:1) by ReformedExCon (897248) <reformed.excon@gmail.com> on Tuesday October 18, @10:48PM (#13823656) This MLI that Trolltech, Motorola, and WindRiver are forming looks to be another one of those biannual mailing list groups. By which I mean that there is a lot of initial interest and a bunch of people join the group and get included on the mailing list and after a month or two of email flurries, the list dies down to an automated email verifying the list recipients every two years.These things come and go so fast that it seems to not even be worth the trouble to discuss.On the other hand, Linux as a mobile platform is a reality, and it isn't just that handful of companies listed in the article that are involved in embedded Linux development. About half the selection of mobile phones for the Japanese Docomo network are based on Linux. Many home entertainment device makers use Linux in their home electronics products. And the number of private Linux "homebrew" projects is huge due to the relatively low cost of entry.Linux in the "mobile" market is booming, and doesn't need an Initiative to help it. Indeed, the software aspect is only one component in the embedded market. Hardware considerations are much more important. Should OEMs go with XScale or OMAP? OMAP or Alchemy? These initial hardware decisions pave the roadmap for future software needs. Standardizing the software from the outset only limits the choices that OEMs can make. [ Reply to This Wow, misread that. (Score:3, Funny) by yurivish (902527) on Tuesday October 18, @10:49PM (#13823661) I thought it read "Original BSOD Developer". Hehe... [ Reply to This A question on dual licensing (Score:5, Interesting) by teslatug (543527) on Tuesday October 18, @10:53PM (#13823684) Does Trolltech incorporate GPL-ed contributions into their commercial release? If yes, what gives them the right to re-license those contributions under a non-GPL license? Else, what do they get out of open sourcing their software other than publicity? [ Reply to ThisRe:A question on dual licensing by oliverthered (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:01PMRe:A question on dual licensing by oliverthered (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:39PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Re:A question on dual licensing (Score:4, Informative) by xfmr_expert (853170) on Tuesday October 18, @11:13PM (#13823796) For you contribution to be accepted, you must assign copyright to Trolltech, allowing them to release your contributions under whatever license they choose. If you don't, they don't incorporate it. No skin off their back. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:A question on dual licensing by QuantumG (Score:2) Wednesday October 19, @12:46AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. I wish (Score:1) by oliverthered (187439) <oliverthered@nospam.hotmail.com> on Tuesday October 18, @11:06PM (#13823762) I wish I could select uneditable text (like error messages!)I wish the QT supported full reflection and serialization so that drag and drop could be fully intergated in KDE.I wish they would make QT thread safe so that when web plugins and konquerer tabs crashed they didn't take all my konqueror windows withthem.and finally I wish that new guy would read my comment. [ Reply to ThisRe:I wish by oliverthered (Score:1) Tuesday October 18, @11:33PMRe:I wish by FAdmThiago (Score:1) Wednesday October 19, @12:11AMRe:I wish by oliverthered (Score:1) Wednesday October 19, @12:24AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. In other Be-related news... (Score:2, Interesting) by doorbot.com (184378) <doorguy@iqtest.doorbot.com> on Tuesday October 18, @11:33PM (#13823897) (Last Journal: Tuesday October 22, @04:04AM) ...HaikuOS has a paid developer for a few weeks.Axel's development blog [blogspot.com] is available, as is the story on OSNews [osnews.com] where I found the link.Apparently, Haiku should have a bootable CD image soon. [ Reply to This Benaphores (Score:1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 19, @12:08AM (#13824013) Does this mean he's going to create bad, non-functioning printer GUIs and name things like 'benaphore' for TrollTech too?Out of all of the people that presented at the various Be Dev Conferences, he's the one that was the least impressive. He seemed to be cut from the same cloth as JLG when it came to attitude, with nothing to really back it up. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold.3 replies beneath your current threshold.