DJ-Dodger writes "The Microsoft Blogs are all buzzing with news that the .NET Framework 2.0, Visual Studio.NET 2005 and Sql Server 2005 have released to manufacture. Michael Swanson's blog has a nice run down of what's available now and what's coming. The short version: MSDN Subscribers can download everything now, everybody else can pick up their copy after the November 7th launch." The .Net framework is downloadable from FileForum.Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='programming';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; .Net Framework and Visual Studio Now Available Log in/Create an Account | Top | 268 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 268 comments 0: 254 comments 1: 189 comments 2: 121 comments 3: 24 comments 4: 10 comments 5: 5 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. Oh boy! (Score:2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 28, @04:12PM (#13899325) I just love Microsoft products!Now, I just wait for the karma to roll in ... [ Reply to ThisSeriously by Overly Critical Guy (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:42PMRe:Just spotted SQL 2005 by RomanySaad (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:08PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Torrent? (Score:5, Funny) by fuzzy12345 (745891) on Friday October 28, @04:13PM (#13899332) Sheesh. At least point us to a torrent.And "SQL Server 2005"? Shouldn't that be 2006? What do I want with last year's model? [ Reply to This Last Years Model? (Score:5, Funny) by SuperKendall (25149) * on Friday October 28, @04:31PM (#13899519) And "SQL Server 2005"? Shouldn't that be 2006? What do I want with last year's model?I'm pretty sure it's not a year thing, I believe it was either a required number of open ports to run or how many default logins with blank passwords it offers that you have to unset manually one by one. [ Reply to This | Parent1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Torrent? by DrEldarion (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:39PMIt's 2005 because... by HalAtWork (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:45PMRe:It's 2005 because... by rebelcan (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:32PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. Direct download (Score:5, Informative) by dedazo (737510) on Friday October 28, @04:13PM (#13899337) If you're downloading the 2.0 framework & SDK (many people write .NET apps without Visual Studio), you can get them directly [microsoft.com] from the MSDN .NET developer center.I'm guessing MSDN is going to be less swamped than FileForum, though the subscriber downloads are extremely slow at the moment as expected. [ Reply to ThisRe:Direct download by jeroenb (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:19PMRe:Direct download by dedazo (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:22PMRe:Direct download by jenkin sear (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:24PMRe:Direct download by Sexy Commando (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:05PMRe:Direct download by ergo98 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:37PMRe:Direct download by dedazo (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:54PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. They're getting ready to give it out (Score:1, Informative) by damiceious (819510) on Friday October 28, @04:14PM (#13899341) Sounds like they're getting ready to distribute it during the "Ready Launch Tour 2005"http://www.microsoft.com/events/2005launchevents/s st.mspx [microsoft.com] [ Reply to ThisRe:They're getting ready to give it out by ClippyHater (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:39PMRe:They're getting ready to give it out by stoolpigeon (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:06PMRe:They're getting ready to give it out by stupidfoo (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:23PMRe:They're getting ready to give it out by LurkerXXX (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:00PMRe:They're getting ready to give it out by LurkerXXX (Score:2) Friday October 28, @10:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.No Massachusetts Event??? by Bricklets (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:51PM You could get a free copy (Score:4, Informative) by mymaxx (924704) on Friday October 28, @04:14PM (#13899347) They are handing out free copies at their launch events. [ Reply to ThisRe:You could get a free copy by Surt (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:20PMRe:You could get a free copy by spartan7891 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:33PMRe:You could get a free copy by stoolpigeon (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:09PMRe:You could get a free copy by Naikrovek (Score:2) Saturday October 29, @12:36AMRe:You could get a free copy by RandoX (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:49PMRe:You could get a free copy by el-spectre (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:10PMRe:You could get a free copy by Pop69 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:29PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. C# Generics (Score:2, Informative) by skraps (650379) on Friday October 28, @04:15PM (#13899354) It's about time. The beta has been out for about a year I think. [ Reply to This Re:C# Generics (Score:4, Informative) by Pxtl (151020) on Friday October 28, @05:05PM (#13899859) (http://www.livejournal.com/~pxtl) C# Generics should've been in the language back when it was called Java. The fact that the whole development world jumped over to these JIT platforms before that kind of basic expressiveness was present in the language perplexed and disgusted me. I mean really, for all people call them "C++ without the cruft" missing templates was "C++ without the basic, usable functionality". [ Reply to This | ParentRe:C# Generics by rp (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:39PMRe:C# Generics by Lucractius (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:43PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:C# Generics by sjelkjd (Score:1) Friday October 28, @10:08PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold. Sql Server 2005 eh ? (Score:3, Funny) by testednegative (843833) on Friday October 28, @04:16PM (#13899358) I wonder if they still have the wonderfull sa/(null) feature. God I loved that one... [ Reply to ThisThey fixed that! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:35PMRe:They fixed that! by Jorkapp (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:26PMRe:Sql Server 2005 eh ? by lowe0 (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:47PMRe:Sql Server 2005 eh ? by bobcat7677 (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:51PM Re:Won't they please think of backward compatabili (Score:4, Insightful) by captain_craptacular (580116) on Friday October 28, @05:16PM (#13899963) Give me a break. Are you seriously trying to blame Microsoft because your outdated, extremely poorly coded vb6 apps won't work with a product being released at least 5 years after they became obsolete? Any programmer worth a penny puts things like database connection strings in a single, central, secure place that can be edited without recompiling the app, anything else is inexcuseable. Furthermore, I don't know what version of SQL server you're running, but you haven't been able to have a blank sa password for at least 2 years. Which tells me that you're either full of it, or running unpatched databases. Would you blame Red Hat if your linux server was hacked via an exploit they patched 3 years ago but you just never bothered to apply the patch? [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Won't they please think of backward compatabili by NutscrapeSucks (Score:2) Friday October 28, @09:41PMRe:Won't they please think of backward compatabili by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:19PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Sql Server 2005 eh ? by 0kComputer (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:23PMRe:Sql Server 2005 eh ? by martinlp (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:40PMRe:Sql Server 2005 eh ? by Hurricane78 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @08:24PMBack then..... by nurb432 (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:29PM Cool! (Score:5, Insightful) by dslauson (914147) on Friday October 28, @04:17PM (#13899369) (Last Journal: Wednesday October 19, @04:35PM) As much as I hate to give MS props, C# is one of my favorite languages to program in. I'm a GNU programmer at heart, but programming C# is like brain candy. I don't have to think about memory allocation or anything even remotely machine-related.I know, I know, Java's got that stuff, too. I like 'em both. A guy can swing both way, right? [ Reply to ThisRe:Cool! by geoffrobinson (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:22PMRe:Cool! by AstroDrabb (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:32PMRe:Cool! by dslauson (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:46PMRe:Cool! by bill_kress (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:06PMRe:Cool! by tenchiken (Score:3) Friday October 28, @05:11PMRe:Cool! by eneville (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:13PMRe:Cool! by dadragon (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:48PMRe:Cool! by deaddrunk (Score:2) Friday October 28, @10:31PMRe: ideas that SHOULD have been lifted from Java by dougTheRug (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:33PMRe: ideas that SHOULD have been lifted from Java by JakusMinimus (Score:2) Friday October 28, @11:53PMRe:Cool! by DrXym (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:38PMRe:Cool! by ad0gg (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:58PMRe:Cool! by SpryGuy (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:01PMRe:Cool! by AaronBrethorst (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:40PMRe:Cool! by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:51PMRe:Cool! by sconeu (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:11PMRe:Cool! by eprubio (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:40PMRe:Cool! by Axe (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:35PMRe:Cool! by NuclearRampage (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:34PMRe:Cool! by Jugalator (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:09PM Re:Cool! (Score:4, Insightful) by Thai-Pan (414112) on Friday October 28, @04:54PM (#13899732) (Last Journal: Monday March 29, @07:47PM) Thank you! I feel exactly the same. I've been a Linux hippie for years, but I'm very rapidly converting to the dark side. Get prepared for a rant not specific to just C#...I don't care what anyone says, C# is way better than Java. And I have ~5 years experience with Java, 6 months experience with C#. It converted me in no time. C# is very pleasant and the language just seems to get out of your way when you want to do something, largely because of the .Net framework.I'm tired of the fact that it's "cool" to make fun of Microsoft on Slashdot. But you know what? They have a lot of very solid products. Visual Studio is a fantastic IDE. SQL Server is not always the server of choice, but it is very powerful nonetheless.I'd say this is going to be a very big year for Microsoft. All of their major product groups have a major release due out, and they're all looking very good from what I've seen so far.So we may not always like Microsoft's products in every way, and we may downright hate some of their business practices. Does that make Visual Studio and C# any worse of a product? Does that make Microsoft Word a worse word processor? NO."OMG WINDOWS 95 HAD BLUE SCREENS LOL C# MUST BE BAD" -- Grow up.The entire open source community needs to grow up a little bit. There's a tremendous amount of talent in it, but it's so obscured by absurd social stigmas and internet-Green-Peace propaganda that a great deal of it loses credability. Visual Studio is a great IDE. C# is a great language. Office is a great productivity toolkit. People use them. Live with it, move on. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Cool! by SpryGuy (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:07PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Cool! by m4g02 (Score:3) Friday October 28, @05:12PMRe:Cool! by CausticPuppy (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:16PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Cool! by Samus (Score:2) Friday October 28, @07:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.I guess I will troll then by Seraphim_72 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @11:58PMRe:Cool! by jma05 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:03PMRe:Cool! by Pxtl (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:15PMRe:Cool! by dslauson (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:35PMRe:Cool! by Pxtl (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:48PMRe:Cool! by dslauson (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:52PMRe:Cool! by mrcparker (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:45PMRe:Cool! by Pxtl (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:59PMRe:Cool! by Lord of the Fries (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:50PMRe:C# Not Cool by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:55PMRe:C# Not Cool by amightywind (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:50PM6 replies beneath your current threshold. Windows without a compiler?! (Score:2, Interesting) by zerojoker (812874) on Friday October 28, @04:29PM (#13899496) This article made me think about it. I mean Microsoft is shipping an operating system without a compiler included. Isn't that strange, that everyone takes this as normal? Isn't a compiler an integral part of an operating system.I mean sure, a nice IDE is something different, and with those Express Editions things have changed now, but still... if you buy a computer out of the box you can't program it. Not even a simple compiler, Basic or whatever. In the good ol' days that would have been unthinkable... [ Reply to ThisNo. by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:36PMRe:No. by slapout (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:05PMRe:No. by sarguin (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:22PMWell... by Sr. Pato (Score:1) Friday October 28, @09:24PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Windows without a compiler?! by fanfriggintastic (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:38PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by just_another_sean (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:39PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by beerman2k (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:44PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by mikael (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:46PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by PCM2 (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:50PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by swingkid (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:40PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by StandardDeviant (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:43PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by fractaloon (Score:3) Friday October 28, @04:40PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by deedubya (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:43PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by istartedi (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:53PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by Spy der Mann (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:49PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by lowe0 (Score:1) Friday October 28, @04:51PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by dedazo (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:53PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by eltoyoboyo (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:04PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by slapout (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:08PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by petee moobaa (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:09PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by TofuDog (Score:1) Friday October 28, @07:14PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by petee moobaa (Score:1) Friday October 28, @09:06PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by LurkerXXX (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Windows without a compiler?! by jshaped (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:54PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by yuiop (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:02PMRe:Windows without a compiler?! by lasindi (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:33PM3 replies beneath your current threshold. Remember.... (Score:1, Informative) by carguy84 (897052) on Friday October 28, @04:29PM (#13899499) If you have a Version 2.0 Beta installed, you HAVE to uninstall it first. Version 1 can co-exist with it. Uninstall the beta before trying to install the new release, otherwise it will barf at you and make you close it anyway.And in IIS 2003, you may have to re-enable ASP.NET web server extensions if you had it off by default prior to your previous install.A couple of gotchas I have run into.2.0.50727.42 is the version you should be downloading. [ Reply to This Get it here (Score:2, Offtopic) by anandpur (303114) on Friday October 28, @04:30PM (#13899505) (http://dilse.net/happy/) Mono provides the necessary software to develop and run .NET client and server applications on Linux, Solaris, Mac OS X, Windows, and Unixhttp://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page [mono-project.com] [ Reply to ThisRe:Get it here by oni (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:27PMRe:Get it here by amliebsch (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:52PMRe:Get it here by wasabii (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:10PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Get it here by laffer1 (Score:2) Friday October 28, @06:24PM Why No Merge Module?? (Score:2) by EXTomar (78739) on Friday October 28, @04:30PM (#13899510) (Last Journal: Thursday July 10, @11:13AM) Again I don't see a merge module for this piece of software.This has always been perplexing: Why is there no merge module for the .Net Framework to build installs around? Admittedly MS's packaging system isn't portable while .Net strives to be (how much it is a subject of debate). So if a true merge module is not possible how about providing a "dummy" merge module instead that doesn't provide the distributable but provides install time information?? If I have to make an install for .Net application it requires a bunch of "hoop jumping" to not only determine if the .Net Framework is installed but if the version/patch level is the target. This is informaton the package system should be providing instead of the installer hunting for evidence of the installed components!!If MS really wants the .Net Framework to be adopted by the end user (note I didn't write 'developers'), they should make any installation issues a breeze. [ Reply to ThisRe:Why No Merge Module?? by jeroenb (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:37PMRe:Why No Merge Module?? by jeroenb (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:14PMRe:Why No Merge Module?? by Timothy Chu (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:40PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Why No Merge Module?? by Zebra_X (Score:2) Friday October 28, @04:38PMRe:Why No Merge Module?? by omibus (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:27PMRe:Why No Merge Module?? by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:32PM Just in Time (Score:1) by clinko (232501) <JTGermanyNO@SPAMmsn.com> on Friday October 28, @04:38PM (#13899594) (http://www.clinko.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 07, @04:25PM) The problem with the .NET Framework is that it has to be installed on the PC for any .NET apps to work (Seems obvious, but that's the catch...)All XP SP2 Machines have 1.1 finally, so I can make an app and distribute it easily now...Because of this, your best bet is to always program in the previous version of the .NET framework. (This was the same in 1.0 vs. 1.1)I'll be excited about the 2.0 release in about 3 years, when Vista is on a good share of PCs... [ Reply to This Best of All! (Score:1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 28, @04:44PM (#13899633) A brand new version of Visual Basic is included! w00t!! [ Reply to ThisRe:Best of All! by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:16PMRe:Best of All! by Pxtl (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:25PMRe:Best of All! by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:37PMRe:Best of All! by petee moobaa (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:17PM Java will still rule (Score:4, Insightful) by thammoud (193905) on Friday October 28, @04:50PM (#13899688) The fact of the matter is that C# will never be able to erode Java's dominance since it is not cross platform. Don't sell me on the Mono project. It is still a little toy. For the .NET platform to be a true competitor, MS will have to port it to all Java supported platforms. Not very likely. Most projects that we work with are written in Java and Run on various platforms. No amount of .NOT will ever touch that. [ Reply to ThisRe:Java will still rule by 0kComputer (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:17PMRe:Java will still rule by megame (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:25PMRe:Java will still rule by TheNetAvenger (Score:2) Friday October 28, @09:15PMRe:Java will still rule by j3tt (Score:1) Friday October 28, @09:04PMRe:Java will still rule by hao2lian (Score:1) Friday October 28, @11:24PMRe:Java will still rule by Naikrovek (Score:2) Saturday October 29, @12:49AMSome problems with your argument by SuperKendall (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:03PMRe:Java will still rule by SComps (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:34PMRe:Java will still rule - you idiot by Axe (Score:2) Friday October 28, @07:05PM4 replies beneath your current threshold. Changelog for .Net 2 (Score:2, Interesting) by cranesan (526741) on Friday October 28, @04:53PM (#13899724) Does anyone know what changed between .NET 2 and 1.1? I can't find anything on Microsoft's site describing what changed. [ Reply to ThisRe:Changelog for .Net 2 by owlstead (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:12PMRe:Changelog for .Net 2 by SpryGuy (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:16PMRe:Changelog for .Net 2 by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday October 28, @05:24PMRe:Changelog for .Net 2 by ChicagoDave (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:29PMRe:Changelog for .Net 2 by megame (Score:3) Friday October 28, @06:37PM For once.... (Score:2) by DeepDarkSky (111382) on Friday October 28, @04:56PM (#13899747) No automatic negative remarks in the article nor by the editor of Slashdot...what is this world coming to? [ Reply to This Visual Studio Express (Score:2, Insightful) by ChaserPnk (183094) on Friday October 28, @04:59PM (#13899788) Personally, as a student, Im looking forward to Visual Studio Express editions. [microsoft.com]You can still grab the Express betas for free. From what I hear, the price point for the final version will be under $100. I think this is a great move by Microsoft. Now millions of students will have access to a cheap, industry standard IDE to code in. What could be better?Not sure when the final versions will be released, but hoping Nov 7 as well. [ Reply to ThisRe:Visual Studio Express by jalefkowit (Score:2) Friday October 28, @05:51PMRe:Visual Studio Express by cheekyboy (Score:2) Friday October 28, @07:28PMRe:Visual Studio Express by Matt - Duke '05 (Score:2) Friday October 28, @08:53PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Even Money Says (Score:2, Insightful) by BronxBomber (633404) on Friday October 28, @05:03PM (#13899825) Half the /. posts that will piss on this news have not ever used the product, let alone .NET.Go on, mod me troll... you know its true. I'm all for calling a spade a spade, but it goes both ways. [ Reply to ThisRe:A spade is a spade by dougTheRug (Score:1) Friday October 28, @06:21PMRe:Even Money Says by Seraphim_72 (Score:1) Saturday October 29, @12:07AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Benefits on .NET 2.0 Framework (via ASP.net) (Score:3, Insightful) by PhatboySlim (862704) on Friday October 28, @05:39PM (#13900153)