mtndue1 writes "Forbes is reporting that with lower than expected profits, Sony is halting the production of CRT's for televisions at many of its plants. The restructuring move is meant to catch the company up with other manufacturers who moved to LCD displays more quickly." From the article: " In the second quarter to September, net profit dropped 46.5 pct to 28.5 bln yen, pressured by 32.3 bln yen in restructuring expenses to write down the impaired value of its cathode-ray tube (CRT) plants. Under the plant closure program, Sony will shut down some of its CRT television assembly factories by March 2008 in order to shift its focus to the flat-screen TV business ... In a bid to revive its game division, Sony plans to release its next-generation stand-alone PlayStation 3 game console in the spring. To speed up development of PlayStation 3, Sony plans to devote 410 bln yen to capital investment in the year to March, up from 356.8 bln yen a year earlier." Sony Profits Low, Halts CRT Production Log in/Create an Account | Top | 254 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 254 comments 0: 249 comments 1: 189 comments 2: 128 comments 3: 37 comments 4: 22 comments 5: 10 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. It's about time... (Score:2, Informative) by bassgoonist (876907) <bassgoonist@NospaM.mchsi.com> on Thursday October 27, @10:53AM (#13888925) (Last Journal: Tuesday October 18, @10:34PM) LCD may not be superior in all ways, but for the average consumer the small size is ideal. Although sony isn't the best, I'd hate to see them go the way of the dodo. [ Reply to ThisRe:It's about time... by Allen Zadr (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @10:56AMRe:It's about time... by glenrm (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:13AM Re:It's about time... (Score:5, Informative) by Zathrus (232140) on Thursday October 27, @11:25AM (#13889179) (http://slashdot.org/) Didn't the patent on Trintron expire?Yes, but remember -- when it's a patent/copyright/other IP that you hate then it's evil and wrong. When it's something you like, when the IP expires then others "rip off" your hard work.And I heartily disagree with the grandparent about the brightness factor of LCD/DLP -- my 46" DLP is visible in normal light conditions, in a well lit room. No, I can't see shit on it when the sun is shining directly on the screen, but I can't see shit on a CRT in those circumstances either.And I suspect he was comparing apples to oranges anyway -- direct view CRT to projection LCD/DLP (since projection is the only way you can view DLP). Compare projection CRT and the LCD/DLP literally shine -- you need as dark a room as possible for projected CRT. Also, if you want much more than 36" diagonal you can't use direct view CRT -- the tubes are just too big, heavy, and expensive (IIRC, the largest direct view tube ever produced for home use was a 44" Mitsubishi). [ Reply to This | ParentRe:It's about time... by Nerdfest (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:12PMRe:It's about time... by Allen Zadr (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:00PMRe:44"!!!! by stalky14 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @03:30PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It's about time... by xtracto (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @11:24AMRe:It's about time... by KDR_11k (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @02:44PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It's about time... by linzeal (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:24AMRe:It's about time... by default luser (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @05:21PMRe:It's about time... by Allen Zadr (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @05:46PMRe:It's about time... by Allen Zadr (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:48PMRe:It's about time... by Allen Zadr (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:25PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:It's about time... by Karma_fucker_sucker (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @10:57AM Re:It's about time... (Score:5, Insightful) by Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) on Thursday October 27, @11:14AM (#13889086) That's interesting. SONY used to be considered the top of the line. (Shows you how much time I spend shopping for electronics.)I wonder what happened. Did they get tired of being the innovators and decide to become the followers: at least in consumer electronics? China, Korea and Malaysia happened. They just couldn't compete with electonics dumping from Samsung, Goldstar, LG, APEX ... etc. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:It's about time... by CmdrPorno (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @03:02PMRe:It's about time... by Castar (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @04:46PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It's about time... by m4dm4n (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:23AMRe:It's about time... by FuzzyBad-Mofo (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @02:24PMRe:It's about time... by orderb13 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:40AMRe:It's about time... by pete6677 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:26PMRe:It's about time... by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @02:32PMRe:It's about time... by cramcram (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @08:17PM Re:It's about time... (Score:5, Insightful) by ergo98 (9391) <dennis.forbes@gmail.com> on Thursday October 27, @11:27AM (#13889191) (http://www.yafla.com/dforbes/ | Last Journal: Tuesday September 27, @11:43AM) LCD may not be superior in all ways, but for the average consumer the small size is ideal.Indeed, and this story really has very little to do with CRTs versus LCDs - It's a simple tale of a very large corporation that lost its way (I stopped buy Sony stuff because what once was an extremely high quality brand turned into an overpriced garbage brand) that's now spastically shifting around to try to regain its footing.Even more ridiculous is the "SONY IS STOPPING PRODUCTION OF CRTS!" followed by the rather important disclaimer "at most of its plants". That entirely counters the headline, and it more accurately should be "Sony is scaling back CRT production", which seems obvious given how many computers, for instance, come with LCDs now, eliminating the need for such a glut of CRT supply. [ Reply to This | Parent4 replies beneath your current threshold. Improve quality? (Score:5, Interesting) by BenjyD (316700) on Thursday October 27, @10:55AM (#13888949) (http://benroe.com/) I wonder if this means Sony is going to start improving their LCD TV quality finally? When I was shopping for an LCD TV recently, the Sony ones were overpriced, ugly and had poor image quality compared to competition. [ Reply to ThisRe:Improve quality? by Flave (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:10AMRe:Improve quality? by coleridge78 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @01:40PMRe:Improve quality? by vinn01 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @02:23PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold. Mostly a good thing (Score:2, Insightful) by Snamh Da Ean (916391) on Thursday October 27, @11:00AM (#13888978) If this means there is a much greater supply of LCDs then the price should drop.Does anyone buy who isn't budget constrained buy CRTs anymore? [ Reply to ThisRe:Mostly a good thing by Mprx (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:07AMRe:Mostly a good thing by xSauronx (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:39AMRe:Mostly a good thing by crabpeople (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @11:46AMRe:Mostly a good thing by Mprx (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:58AMRe:Mostly a good thing by Mprx (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:43PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Mostly a good thing by tukkayoot (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:53AMRe:Mostly a good thing by tukkayoot (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:02PMRe:Mostly a good thing by Malor (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:25PMRe:Mostly a good thing by InvalidError (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @04:59PMRe:Mostly a good thing by topper24hours (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:56AM Re:Mostly a good thing (Score:5, Insightful) by zakath (180357) on Thursday October 27, @12:13PM (#13889548) So this is what gets modded as +5 Insightful on /. these days? Guess the trick is to say it like you know what you're talking about and the mods will follow. LCD 'refresh' rates are measured in 'ms' not 'Hz'. Poster also seems to be stuck in 2002...todays LCDs with sub-10ms refresh rates (I believe I read about a 3-4ms LCD coming soon as well) have eliminated the 'blurring' problem evident on older units. I've played many BF2, Doom3 and several others on my 19" 8ms LCD and it's been excellent...no ghosting. Todays units are greatly improved over the old 20ms+ ones. The only area CRTs still maintain an advantage are in displaying high resolution...LCDs outside their native resolution just aren't as nice. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Mostly a good thing by ipoverscsi (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @01:00PMtrick for getting good picture at non-native res. by tomcres (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:02PMRe:Mostly a good thing by Frostalicious (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:15PM Re:Mostly a good thing (Score:4, Informative) by Kjella (173770) on Thursday October 27, @01:42PM (#13890407) (http://slashdot.org/) LCD 'refresh' rates are measured in 'ms' not 'Hz'. Poster also seems to be stuck in 2002...todays LCDs with sub-10ms refresh rates (I believe I read about a 3-4ms LCD coming soon as well) have eliminated the 'blurring' problem evident on older units. I've played many BF2, Doom3 and several others on my 19" 8ms LCD and it's been excellent...no ghosting. Todays units are greatly improved over the old 20ms+ ones. The only area CRTs still maintain an advantage are in displaying high resolution...LCDs outside their native resolution just aren't as nice.Well, ms and Hz are just two different units of measurement. What they mean by "refresh" is completely different though. For one, a CRT will flicker, an LCD will not at low refresh rates. Furthermore, a CRT will actually refresh exactly so, while an LCD will not (you will see different numbers for gray-gray, black-white-black, averages vs worst case). Not to mention you have ringing caused by trying to speed up the process. Take the "3ms" screen on slashdot here recently, it has 5ms black-to-black, more like 8ms before the ringing stops. Effectively, that means ~125fps, not ~333fps. Realisticly, most people don't notice more than ~60fps (as it doesn't flicker), so around 16ms actual response time. To make up for the marketing BS you need to buy a "8ms" screen though. [ Reply to This | Parent1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Mostly a good thing by Malor (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:15PMRe:Mostly a good thing by taskforce (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:13AMRe:Mostly a good thing by dreamchaser (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:23AM Re:Mostly a good thing (Score:5, Informative) by petabyte (238821) on Thursday October 27, @11:13AM (#13889079) Well yes, me. I just opted for the 30" CRT Television (HDTV widescreen) instead of the 30" LCD. The reason? True black on the CRT and better colors overall. People have mentioned size constraints with televisions and yes, I got a slim fit CRT but it sits on an entertainment center which houses my reciever and DVD player. Since thats a dedicated area for the TV, I don't have a problem with that space being used for the TV and having the best picture I can. When it goes kaboom, I figure LCDs will be the standard and the picture will have improved.Now, my desk is another story. I have a CRT for my computer there too but when that goes, the LCD cometh ... [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Mostly a good thing by Zathrus (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @11:29AMRe:Mostly a good thing by mcho (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:48AMRe:Mostly a good thing by Ixitar (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:55AMRe:Mostly a good thing by Zathrus (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @11:41AMRe:Mostly a good thing by kosmicki (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @07:53PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:Mostly a good thing (Score:4, Informative) by Yaa 101 (664725) on Thursday October 27, @11:13AM (#13889080) (Last Journal: Tuesday June 01, @06:25PM) All people in need of real colors still use CRTs...Those LCDs are ugly, none of them come near to what colors should look like. [ Reply to This | Parent Re:Mostly a good thing (Score:4, Informative) by networkBoy (774728) on Thursday October 27, @11:17AM (#13889112) (http://www.networkboy.net/) Actually there are a few that cover the gamma curve of CRTs nicely, and can be calibrated further for color temperature and such. The downside is those LCDs cost around $2K for a 17-19 inch.Tom's Hardware did a nice piece on them.-nB [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Mostly a good thing by Yaa 101 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:07PMLCDs are overrated. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:19AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Mostly a good thing by digidave (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:45AMRe:Mostly a good thing by lmlloyd (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:59AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Anyone know...? (Score:4, Insightful) by Otter (3800) on Thursday October 27, @11:00AM (#13888980) (Last Journal: Monday October 17, @10:42AM) Have Japanese largely stopped buying CRT televisions and monitors in favor of flat-screens? Given their space constraints, especially at home, I'd imagine it wouldn't take much for them to give up on tubes entirely.(Note: I'm looking for replies based on experience with Japanese reality, not on anime. TIA...) [ Reply to ThisRe:Anyone know...? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:06AM Re:Anyone know...? (Score:4, Informative) by dduck (10970) on Thursday October 27, @11:07AM (#13889036) (http://www.secondguessusa.com/) They did so a while back. When I was in Tokyo about 3 years ago, you could hardly find a CRT TV, uch less a CRT monitor. Everything new was flat and thin. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Anyone know...? by dbleoslow (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:12PMRe:Anyone know...? by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @02:42PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Anyone know...? by Bueller_007 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:19AMRe:Anyone know...? by Kryptolus (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:20AMRe:Anyone know...? by meringuoid (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:38AMRe:Anyone know...? by Jflatnote (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:40AMRe:Anyone know...? by mercedo (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:36PM I don't know about anyone else (Score:5, Insightful) by Colourspace (563895) on Thursday October 27, @11:01AM (#13888990) It looks to me like Sony are beginning to bet the farm on the PS3. The Walkman range is now outsold by Apple branded players, the TV market is awash with other makes of TV.. I could go on in any other markets (maybe brodacst - admit not too sure on that).They also seem to be losing their grip on their legendary quality of years back (though my admittedly late-era PSP is still a thing of beauty IMHO - lets ee how it stands up to time) - My Sony 6 CD player in my less than year old car has already taken to playing no CD's and has a radio that likes to retune at random...I could go on..Sony are to me, at least, beginning to look more like a games company than anything else - if they don't succeed they may well be dodo, if not severely crippled. [ Reply to ThisRe:I don't know about anyone else by Lumpy (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:27AMRe:I don't know about anyone else by evil agent (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:28AMRe:I don't know about anyone else by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:07PMRe:I don't know about anyone else by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:28AMRe:I don't know about anyone else by Rinikusu (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:36PMRe:I don't know about anyone else by Blakey Rat (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:45PMRe:I don't know about anyone else by jedrek (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @05:59PMRe:I don't know about anyone else by Dogtanian (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @07:12PMRe:I don't know about anyone else by toddestan (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @09:04PM Can we get a CRT Price Drop? (Score:1) by aka_big_wurm (757512) on Thursday October 27, @11:03AM (#13889009) I have been looking at the Sony 30 inch wide screen CRT, can they drop the price on it $100 or so [ Reply to This Not good news? (Score:3, Interesting) by saskboy (600063) on Thursday October 27, @11:05AM (#13889016) (http://www.abandonedstuff.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 25, @10:38PM) I don't think this is very good news if you're in the market for a large screen TV in the future and want a CRT. With the supply from Sony dwindling, prices won't be dropping as much as we'd like them to in comparison to LCD. And I wonder how much easier it is to recycle components of an LCD screen device, compared to a CRT's? There will be less lead I'm guessing, but are there any rules about throwing LCD monitors/TVs into the landfill? [ Reply to ThisRe:Not good news? by lpangelrob (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:03PM Playstation 3 (Score:1) by stone2020 (123807) on Thursday October 27, @11:05AM (#13889020) And now Sony is going to sell a couple million Playstation 3's at a loss? Good luck. [ Reply to ThisRe:Playstation 3 by ivan256 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:45PMRe:Playstation 3 by ivan256 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @02:23PMRe:Playstation 3 by ivan256 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @04:03PMRe:Playstation 3 by ivan256 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @10:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. NO, but I love the CRT...! (Score:2) by GecKo213 (890491) on Thursday October 27, @11:08AM (#13889048) I love my old CRT TV! It's picture is so, well, it reminds me of being a kid! I don't want to grow up! This opinions expressed in this post are totally random and have nothing to do whatsoever with the posters true feelings or the feelings or opinions of your local stations. Thank you.I should be working, but I'm posting on /.! Life is good [ Reply to ThisStash away those Sony CRTs Now !!!! by Nick Driver (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:56PM If the CRT dies (Score:3, Insightful) by erroneus (253617) on Thursday October 27, @11:08AM (#13889049) (http://www.d-n-a.cc/) it can only mean that other display types will become more affordable. Right now, the really nice TVs are way out of reach for Wal-Mart shoppers such as myself. I look forward to the changes coming soon. [ Reply to ThisRe:If the CRT dies by GrumblyStuff (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @04:13PM Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (Score:5, Informative) by h4ck7h3p14n37 (926070) on Thursday October 27, @11:09AM (#13889053) (http://www.damianwiest.com/) It's too bad that Sony is phasing out it's CRT production. Granted, flat-screens have much better resolution, a smaller footprint and are lighther, but they're still extremely expensive. A 32" Sony Trinitron is going for around $400, while a 32" Sony LCD Wega flat panel is more than $2,000 (the cheapest 32" LCD flat screen I could find goes for $1,300). I just don't understand why anyone would buy one flat screen when they could get four or five CRTs for the same price. [ Reply to ThisRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by aetherspoon (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:18AMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by CrazyTalk (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:31AMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by TekPolitik (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @07:03PMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by h4ck7h3p14n37 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @01:10PMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by Jeff DeMaagd (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:20AM Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (Score:4, Informative) by b1t r0t (216468) on Thursday October 27, @11:33AM (#13889238) Except that you're comparing apples and oranges. A 32" Wega CRT is about $600-$700, but the HD-ready Wega is about $1000, and was around $1500 two years ago. Oh, and a minor point is that their LCD line seems to be called Bravia, not Wega.Mmmm... and that LCD has a PC input, too. I know for a fact that their CRT Wega line isn't designed for PC scan rates on the DVI input. You can get 640x480 to work, but there's overscan, and even if you get your video card to generate ATSC scan rates, anything higher than 480p forces the 4:3 CRT into widescreen mode. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by steeef (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:19PMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by tgd (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:37AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by moviepig.com (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:43AMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by WuphonsReach (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @02:35PMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by the_rev_matt (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:53AMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by daviee (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @01:10PMRe:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced by orderb13 (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:59AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. Hard choice (Score:5, Informative) by boa13 (548222) on Thursday October 27, @11:10AM (#13889066) (http://boa13.free.fr/ | Last Journal: Saturday October 19, @01:30AM) It must have been a hard choice for mtndue1, torn between hyping up his scoop so that he would have a chance to be published on Slashdot and not telling outright lies. So he took both approaches:Sony is halting the production of CRT's for televisions at many of its plantsSony will shut down some of its CRT television assembly factories by March 2008 (emphasis mine)No, I didn't read the fine article, but I did laugh out loud. [ Reply to ThisRe:Hard choice by SmittyTheBold (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:09PMRe:Hard choice by ivan256 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:Hard choice (Score:4, Insightful) by poot_rootbeer (188613) on Thursday October 27, @01:41PM (#13890394) The mention of Sony's allocation of a big pile of money "to speed up development" of the PS3 falls into a similar category of inaccuracy, I think. At this point in the product lifecycle, Sony should be ramping up MANUFACTURE of PS3 units. If they're still in the DEVELOPMENT phase for the hardware, they're lagging behind and may have already lost the next-gen console battle to the Xbox 360. [ Reply to This | Parent Different Viewpoints (Score:2) by goodEvans (112958) <devansNO@SPAMshannonmro.ie> on Thursday October 27, @11:11AM (#13889068) (http://www.geocities.com/goodevans_ie) I think I'm right in saying that most people here would thank Sony for allowing them to buy the Playstation 3. A large percentage of us are looking forward to spending our money on it when it is finally launched.However, it's interesting to see the Forbes' take on the release: In a bid to revive its game division, Sony plans to release its next-generation stand-alone PlayStation 3 game console in the spring.Funny how a slightly different viewpoint casts a whole new light on a subject... [ Reply to This Yen (Score:2) by kevin_conaway (585204) on Thursday October 27, @11:12AM (#13889073) (http://pyscrabble.sf.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday April 28, @02:48PM) 38,500,000,000.00 JPY = 334,047,807.86 USD32,300,000,000.00 JPY = 280,239,409.58 USD410,000,000,000.00 JPY = 3,556,690,039.42 USD356,800,000,000.00 JPY = 3,095,187,819.67 USDThanks xe.com [xe.com] [ Reply to ThisRe:Yen by digidave (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @11:34AMSilly Metric System by iamlucky13 (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:08PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. I think this is a pity, actually (Score:2, Interesting) by FluffyWithTeeth (890188) on Thursday October 27, @11:14AM (#13889088) Sony have always made some damned fine CRTs. Their Trinitron range has always been pretty much the cream of the crop.Of course, myself, I got a second hand 21" Sony Trinitron VGA monitor for about $80, so I'm fine :)Mmmm, obscenely high resolution... [ Reply to ThisRe:I think this is a pity, actually by Lumpy (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @11:30AMDefect? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @11:50AMRe:I think this is a pity, actually by Malor (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:37PMRe:I think this is a pity, actually by markhb (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:41PMRe:I think this is a pity, actually by Malor (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @07:57PMRe:I think this is a pity, actually by argent (Score:3) Thursday October 27, @02:35PMRe:I think this is a pity, actually by tomlouie (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @08:39PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I think this is a pity, actually by kidcharles (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @01:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. "Revive its games division"? (Score:2, Interesting) by Sockatume (732728) on Thursday October 27, @11:15AM (#13889099)