Technophiliac writes to tell us MadPenguin in running a review of "Fighting FUD With Humor" Marvel Gagne's 2nd edition of "Moving to Linux". From the article: "The biggest obstacle is fear. Modern Linux distributions are easy to install and easy to use. Unfortunately, we are constantly presented with messages telling us that it's too hard and that the average person couldn't possibly grasp the complexity. That's rubbish. People aren't stupid and people who use computers learn new things all the time." Fighting FUD with Humor Log in/Create an Account | Top | 324 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 324 comments 0: 320 comments 1: 261 comments 2: 162 comments 3: 46 comments 4: 20 comments 5: 13 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. It's not that it's hard (Score:5, Interesting) by ankarbass (882629) on Wednesday October 26, @06:53PM (#13884976) (Last Journal: Wednesday October 26, @07:12PM) People don't want to switch because they think they need office. Simple as that. [ Reply to ThisRe:It's not that it's hard by OzPhIsH (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @06:58PMWhy don't you explain it to her? by CyricZ (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:31PMProtocol? by tepples (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:45PMRe:Why don't you explain it to her? by OzPhIsH (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:52PM He probably has his reasons. (Score:4, Insightful) by CyricZ (887944) on Wednesday October 26, @08:00PM (#13885495) Have you considered why he might recommend they use Outlook? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is that it's already installed on many desktop PCs. So that saves him time from having to install it on basically every teacher's home system. Then there's the fact that he can give everyone one set of instructions on how to configure it. That also probably saves him time.You paint him as some awful villain, as if he is trying to intentionally destroy all those teachers' systems by using Outlook Express. Perhaps he's being the opposite of a "moron," and rather just doing what makes his job easiest. That's not stupid. That's a smart thing to do, from his perspective.If you truly want people to get away from using Microsoft products, then you'll have to make some sacrifice. Yes, you may have to help those particular teachers install and configure Thunderbird. It'd be even better if you could create and print up a single page that'll tell them exactly how it can be done. Give them pictorial instructions about what exact server address, etc., to enter, and where to enter them. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:He probably has his reasons. by OzPhIsH (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @08:19PMRe:He probably has his reasons. by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:23PMRe:He probably has his reasons. by needacoolnickname (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:36PMRe:He probably has his reasons. by thesnarky1 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:05PMRe:He probably has his reasons. by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:12PMRe:He probably has his reasons. by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:09PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Why don't you explain it to her? by corvair2k1 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:07PMRe:Why don't you explain it to her? by timeOday (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:52PMRe:It's not that it's hard by jacksonj04 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:48PMRe:It's not that it's hard by ThogScully (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @09:01PM Re:It's not that it's hard (Score:5, Insightful) by jacksonj04 (800021) <nick@tn-uk.net> on Wednesday October 26, @09:05PM (#13885871) (http://nick.tn-uk.net/) My point is that Microsoft offers a tightly integrated solution (Exchange, SharePoint, Outlook, Office, Active Directory) which is ideal for a corporate environment. Not to mention the fact that perhaps they want to have a chance in hell of supporting it. Imagine the conversations..."My email doesn't work.""Okay, open Outlook for me.""I don't use Outlook.""Okay, what do you use?""KMail.""Umm... Okay. Open that, then go Tools, then Email Accounts.""It's not there.""How the fuck am I supposed to support 500 different pieces of software?"*Click* [ Reply to This | Parent1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:It's not that it's hard (Score:5, Funny) by mctk (840035) on Wednesday October 26, @06:58PM (#13885003) (http://www.livejournal.com/users/mctk) Screw office, I need games. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:It's not that it's hard by shirishag75 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:01PMRe:It's not that it's hard by agraupe (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:02PMRe:It's not that it's hard by zootm (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @08:20PMRe:It's not that it's hard by agraupe (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @08:40PMRe:It's not that it's hard by zootm (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:44PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Dwonis (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:33PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It's not that it's hard by Mancat (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:15PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Tux007 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @09:08PMRe:It's not that it's hard by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:38PMRe:It's not that it's hard by orkysoft (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:44PMOffice? by TubeSteak (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @06:59PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Mancat (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:19PMOutlook and VBA are the real killers` by Bradac_55 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:44PMRe:Outlook and VBA are the real killers` by eosp (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:46PMCalendar extension by tepples (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:49PMRe:It's not that it's hard by JustADude (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:48PMRe:It's not that it's hard by seriesrover (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:58PMRe:It's not that it's hard by croddy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:44PMRe:It's not that it's hard by seriesrover (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:29AMRe:It's not that it's hard by mboverload (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @10:05PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Herr Proktor (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:14PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:50PMRe:It's not that it's hard by niteice (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:53PMRe:It's not that it's hard by 1u3hr (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:13PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Herr Proktor (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:54AMRe:It's not that it's hard by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:45PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Herr Proktor (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @01:00AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:It's not that it's hard (Score:4, Interesting) by Auckerman (223266) on Wednesday October 26, @08:51PM (#13885797) I disagree, to put it simply. I see the following problems with Linux.1. It has a need for package management. To me, this is a fundamental flaw with the design of the operating system. There are other techniques and ideas to handle how software is installed.2. It requires user input for installing a simple desktop system. It should as simple as boot from CD, click install, walk away cause it will reboot and ask you to create an account when done. This operation should, by default both install and overwrite a previous install without losing/breaking a single application install. This install should also automagically install applications a user would normally expect his/her computer to come with.3. The formal seperation of System and applications is not very good, see OS X for an example of how to do this properly.4. It emulates Windows UI design and does it poorly. Configuration requires more knowledge than a traditional user has.5. For "simple things, like Windows, it treats the User like a moron and does a poor job at it. It shouldn't be "easy" if and only if you find the proper wizard to do it and click the buttons in the right order, it should just work.6. Any and all error codes should be written colloquial english. They should only notify the user if the User has a good reson to know the error happened.7. Developing tools for Linux need more work and should encourage developers not use package management as a way to install applications.8. Linux developers should focus on creating tools, not emulating tools already created. The cooperation of professional graphics artists and UI designers would be extremely helpful. Make whitepapers of the UI before designing the application. You'd be surprised how much it will improve the outcome.8. Most people don't use Office at home, stop using that as an excuse. On top of this, the ability to read and write office documents, especially ones that newer version of Office can't even read has already been solved. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:It's not that it's hard by purple pixel (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:00PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Auckerman (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:44AMRe:It's not that it's hard by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:08PMRe:It's not that it's hard by drinkypoo (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:41PMRe:It's not that it's hard by labratuk (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:52PMRe:It's not that it's hard by Auckerman (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:19AMRe:It's not that it's hard by mattjb0010 (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @08:55PMRe:It's not that it's hard by zxsqkty (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:34PMtotally doable by ir0b0t (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:29AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.HAHA by buttwidget (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @06:58PM Re:HAHA (Score:5, Funny) by Jim Hall (2985) on Wednesday October 26, @07:05PM (#13885066) (http://www.freedos.org/jhall/ | Last Journal: Tuesday February 24, @01:39PM) People are smart... Someone doesn't deal with the public... "A person is smart, but people are dumb, stupid and panicky." ~Agent K, 'MIB' "'To start, press any key.' Where's the any key?" ~Homer Simpson, 'The Simpsons' [ Reply to This | ParentRe:HAHA by Agarax (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:17PMRe:HAHA by KanSer (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @08:09PMRe:HAHA by H0p313ss (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @09:01PMRe:HAHA by drinkypoo (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:02PMRe:HAHA by NotQuiteReal (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:37PMRe:HAHA by maotx (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:55PMRe:HAHA by Distortions (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:32PMRe:HAHA by CastrTroy (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @10:13PMRe:HAHA by drinkypoo (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:07PMRe:HAHA by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:28PMRe:HAHA by drinkypoo (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:34PMFUD??? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @06:58PMRe:FUD??? by spyder913 (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:03PMRe:FUD??? by ZachPruckowski (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:17PMRe:FUD??? by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:58PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:FUD??? by MaskedSlacker (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:30PMRe:FUD??? by owlstead (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:25PMRe:FUD??? Coined by Gene Amdahl by cyber_rigger (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:15PMRe:ROTFL! by Chuq (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @01:00AM4 replies beneath your current threshold. Clearly... (Score:5, Insightful) by fatcatman (800350) on Wednesday October 26, @06:59PM (#13885013) People aren't stupid and people who use computers learn new things all the time."Clearly, this person has never performed basic tech support. I mean, come on. If you have that much faith in humanity, you've never done time as "The I.T. Guy" in a typical office. Turn in your geek card, sir, and report to AOL for further processing. [ Reply to ThisRe:Clearly... by Nimrangul (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:07PMYeah, no one's ever used a command line before by thirdrock (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:53PMRe:Yeah, no one's ever used a command line before by drinkypoo (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @10:46PMRe:Clearly... by Belial6 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:05PMRe:Clearly... by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:19PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Clearly... by jpardey (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @09:38PM3 replies beneath your current threshold. Bzzzzt! (Score:5, Insightful) by rackhamh (217889) on Wednesday October 26, @06:59PM (#13885014) (http://www.differentbeats.com/) People aren't stupidNo, but they're easily confused.and people who use computers learn new things all the time.Hard to believe, given that most non-technical people (and some of the technical ones) in my building haven't even learned not to double-click URLs. When things don't work, it's attributed to gremlins, and when it does work, it's attributed to a higher diety.I'm sorry, but the REAL obstacles (hint: fear isn't one of them) to adopting an entirely new operating system don't go away just by putting your fingers in your ears and shouting, "NAH NAH NAH, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" [ Reply to ThisRe:Bzzzzt! by Jack9 (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:11PM Re:Bzzzzt! (Score:5, Insightful) by antiMStroll (664213) on Wednesday October 26, @07:25PM (#13885224) This "... people (and some of the technical ones) in my building haven't even learned not to double-click URLs." contradicts this "...the REAL obstacles (hint: fear isn't one of them) to adopting an entirely new operating system..." If they don't understand double-click how will the OS make any difference? They aren't configuring hardware or apps anyway. I'm the last person to ascribe extraordinary technical prowess to the general public and yet sucessfully converted a staff of 50 to what in effect is PC-based multimedia editing from tape without a hitch. One staff member just celebrated his 50th year in the industry and has never required our help. Step one: make them part of the application selection process. Step two: an orderly rollout with scheduled training. Step three: encouraging self support and establishing staff 'experts' outside of the normal support channels. It's not that hard. On the other hand, we're also a distinct division outside of the normal 'MSCE' pool. If there's any group with finger in ears here it's the latter, imposing solutions on users as mandates and forcing them to work around bugs and unresolved system idiosyncracies from memory. 'Lusers' can do a hell of a lot more than most IT support gives them credit. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Bzzzzt! by rackhamh (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:57PMRe:Bzzzzt! by LinuxRulz (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:07PM Let's be HONEST here (Score:4, Insightful) by Work Account (900793) on Wednesday October 26, @06:59PM (#13885023) (Last Journal: Wednesday October 26, @06:35PM) I'm smart, most of us here are smart, but I'll admit that sometimes I run into the occasional road block where I can't do something in Linux that I can do in Windows.I did spend at least an hour getting Quake III to work in Linux properly. It still doesn't quite work as well as in Windows.I also took some time to get my mouse wheel working in Linux. Granted, I use text-only installs of Slackware or Gentoo where I build my own optimized kernels, but still, I had some difficulty.Linux isn't easy and it's not a pretty shiny desktop OS. Let's just admit that. I mean heck, would we want it any other way? I enjoy the challenge and I enjoy the OPEN ness of it. [ Reply to ThisRe:Let's be HONEST here by CyricZ (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:02PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by LordKazan (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:24PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by CyricZ (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:28PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by i_should_be_working (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:33PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by Sycraft-fu (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:27PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by i_should_be_working (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:54PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by EvilSporkMan (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:12PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by i_should_be_working (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:33PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by Z34107 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:42PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by i_should_be_working (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:57PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Let's be HONEST here by clackerd (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:50PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by khellendros1984 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:04PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by Jambon (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:59PMRe:Let's be HONEST here by Coryoth (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.3 replies beneath your current threshold. Not easy to configure (Score:5, Insightful) by mymaxx (924704) on Wednesday October 26, @07:01PM (#13885031) Not for someone from the Windows world, anyway. If you need to configure anything that isn't out of the box, like latest graphics card support or wireless, you're left out in the cold. You'll have to spend hours Googling for people that have gotten it to work or clues as to how it might work. Then more hours editing configuration files, compiling, rebooting...sometimes all spent in vain. If there is ONE thing Windows is good at, it is getting stuff configured. It may not be as powerful or flexible, but at least it is easy. Sometimes, you just need to get things done. [ Reply to ThisRe:Not easy to configure by Feyr (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:38PMRe:Not easy to configure by mymaxx (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:07PMRe:Not easy to configure by ColaMan (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:21PM Re:Not easy to configure (Score:4, Insightful) by Tiger4 (840741) on Wednesday October 26, @08:09PM (#13885557) "Sometimes, you just need to get things doneNot just sometimes. For most people in the tech services area, they like a challenge, more or less. Configuring things and solving problems is what got them into the field in the first place. But the vast majority of computer users just want to get the job done. They don't care how it works, or why, or what options are behind the command line switches. This thing is a tool. An appliance. More complicated than a screwdriver.But basically it is a toaster.Turn it on, it does something useful, turn it off. Anything that requires understanding what is under the interface is hard. Anything that requires thinking about how the interface works is effectively impossible. Windows lets users get away with that. Macs are great at it. Linux (so far) makes the users learn how it works. Or at least ask for a lot of help. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Not easy to configure by Eric Damron (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:08PMRe:Not easy to configure by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:32PMRe:Not easy to configure by wannasleep (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:55PMRe:Not easy to configure - Definitely by Chaset (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @09:20PMUbuntu is not a good example... by Eric Damron (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:03PMRe:Not easy to configure - Definitely by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:35PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.What?? by Eric Damron (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:55PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Too Much WoW... by Chucow (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:02PMRe:Too Much WoW... by kihjin (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:21PM The BEST way to fight FUD (Score:5, Funny) by Fermatprime (883412) on Wednesday October 26, @07:06PM (#13885076) I must not FUD. FUD is the mind-killer. FUD is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face Microsoft's FUD. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye upon its path. Where the FUD has gone there will be nothing. Only Linux will remain. [ Reply to ThisRe:The BEST way to fight FUD by Inaffect (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:09PMRe:The BEST way to fight FUD by NoGuffCheck (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:51PM It's true (Score:5, Interesting) by Prof. Pi (199260) on Wednesday October 26, @07:07PM (#13885086) I knew someone who hand-coded HTML to make web pages around 1997,before HTML-authoring tools were common. And these were pageswith graphics and menus. But shewas absolutely convinced that she shoulduse Microsoft products because you'dhave to be "a computer genius" to useanything else. I couldn't convince herthat writing a file in LaTeX wasstructurally very similar tohand-editing HTML. She had a completepsychological block, and would evenget mad at me for daring to useanything else. [ Reply to ThisRe:It's true by Inaffect (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:12PMRe:It's true by Krach42 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:11PMRe:It's true by finkployd (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:18PMRe:It's true by GreyWolf3000 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:51PMRe:It's true by CyricZ (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:02PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. not easy enough to install, not easy enough to use (Score:5, Insightful) by bcrowell (177657) on Wednesday October 26, @07:10PM (#13885107) (http://www.lightandmatter.com/) Modern Linux distributions are easy to install and easy to use. I'm a computer geek. There was a period where Linux was too hard for me to install -- I tried and failed a few times. Finally, about four years ago, the installs got easier (and I learned more) so I got a working install. But it's simply not true that Linux is now easy enough for most computer users to install and use. Most computer users are not computer geeks, and in fact, no OS is easy enough for them to install. They'd have trouble installing Windows from scratch too, but they never had to do it because Windows came preinstalled.Just last week I installed the latest Ubuntu. There were two problems that it took me some time and hassles to work out: (1) The sound software I was trying to use didn't work in GNOME, because GNOME uses ESD. I had to do a "killall esd" before it would work. This took some detective work, because none of the software gave me an error message that told me this was what the problem was. (2) I couldn't install some libraries (such as libc6-dev) because they were in a munged state at the point where I did my apt-get update.These were time-consuming, frustrating annoyances for me, but for someone who's not a computer geek, they'd be total showstoppers. The average person simply is not going to go looking for help on usenet or IRC (and my experience with posting on the Ubuntu forums has been that I don't get any useful replies, either). The average person will give up.And BTW, Gagne might want to update the subtitle of his book, "Kiss the blue screen of death goodbye." I have to use Windows a lot at work. I haven't seen a BSOD in years. [ Reply to Thisamen to that by conJunk (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:25PMRe:amen to that by merreborn (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:40PM Re:amen to that (Score:4, Insightful) by conJunk (779958) on Wednesday October 26, @07:49PM (#13885419) no, you are absolutely correct... it's true... but, the one really unhelpful person is the one you remember... there are a lot of *really* helpful people kicking it on IRC waiting for questions from people doing their first install, but they don't stick in one's memory quite the same way [ Reply to This | ParentRe:amen to that by bcrowell (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:50PMRe:amen to that by laughingcoyote (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:07PM Re:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to (Score:4, Interesting) by shark72 (702619) on Wednesday October 26, @07:41PM (#13885354) (http://www.reezle.com/) "And BTW, Gagne might want to update the subtitle of his book, "Kiss the blue screen of death goodbye." I have to use Windows a lot at work. I haven't seen a BSOD in years." Me neither. That's the author's way of trying to spread a little FUD himself. Maybe it's an attempt at irony. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by miffo.swe (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:27PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by Blakey Rat (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:50PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by drinkypoo (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:49PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by jtolds (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:12PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by bcrowell (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:51PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by jtolds (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @09:16PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:21PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by cbiltcliffe (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:55PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by i_should_be_working (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @08:27PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by Darius Jedburgh (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @09:30PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by i_should_be_working (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:40PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by dhasenan (Score:2) Thursday October 27, @12:14AMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by efuzzyone (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:03PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by LetterRip (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:00PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by efuzzyone (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:00PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by GoatPigSheep (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:18PMRe:not easy enough to install, not easy enough to by Explodo (Score:1) Thursday October 27, @12:34AMBut... by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:10PMRe:But... by CyricZ (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:20PMRe:But... by GreyWolf3000 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:31PMRe:But... by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:41PMRe:But... by GreyWolf3000 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:46PMRe:But... by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:55PMRe:But... by GreyWolf3000 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:48PMRe:But... by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:44PMRe:But... by GreyWolf3000 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:29PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:But... by CyricZ (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:44PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:But... by Mancat (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:26PMRe:But... by suitepotato (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:28PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Ho-ho by DaveCar (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:11PM Individuals may not be stupid... (Score:5, Funny) by SuperAbe (264159) * <barnesa AT blarg DOT net> on Wednesday October 26, @07:12PM (#13885129) People aren't stupid and people who use computers learn new things all the time. Obligatory Men in Black [imdb.com] reference:Agent J: Why the big secret? People are smart, they can handle it.Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it. [ Reply to This"There's no such thing as bad publicity... by Dr. Mu (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:12PMMarvel Gagne? by Otter (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:13PMRe:Marvel Gagne? by drinkypoo (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:54PMThat's not the point by Piroca (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Linux is not easy to use..... yet. by linuxishard (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:15PMRe:Linux is not easy to use..... yet. by lunchboxj (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:41PMRe:Linux is not easy to use..... yet. by rubycodez (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:07PMRe:Linux is not easy to use..... yet. by DaveCar (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:51PMGlad to hear they're anxious to learn... by oahazmatt (Score:3) Wednesday October 26, @07:17PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:25PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by KylePflug (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:41PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:52PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by KylePflug (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:49PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by CyricZ (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:11PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by KylePflug (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @11:22PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by cbiltcliffe (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @11:08PMRe:Glad to hear they're anxious to learn... by KanSer (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:21PMWell ... by LaughingCoder (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:20PMRe:Well ... by DaveCar (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:39PMRe:Well ... by MooUK (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:45PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Suse is pretty easy BUT by vandit2k6 (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:22PMThey just want it to work by ferreth (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:33PMThe biggest obstacle is not working right by Elwood P Dowd (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:34PMMarvel Gagne? by sampowers (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:35PMRe:Marvel Gagne? by DaveCar (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:12PMIt's not stupidity by max born (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:35PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Dumb can be fixed.... by thundergeek (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:37PMFree is bad by denidoom (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:40PMbullcrap by tehgimp (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:41PMRe:bullcrap by ylikone (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:59PMI'll second that... by caitsith01 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @08:06PMRe:I'll second that... by i_should_be_working (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @09:22PMRe:I'll second that... by caitsith01 (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @10:52PMMaybe it's simply for EEs? by Skowronek (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:57PMNo way dude... by thepotoo (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:57PMDuff? by ElNerdoJorge (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:41PMWow! by kuzb (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:42PMYes there is FUD, but some of this FUD is true... by TheNetAvenger (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:46PMNobody expects the FUD! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:48PMStill no compelling reason to switch by DaveCBio (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:52PMStill no compelling reason to stay by sinewalker (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @08:37PMRe:Still no compelling reason to switch by zxsqkty (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @10:19PMMessages... by Spy der Mann (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @07:58PMIts not FUD.... At least not for me.. by StylezHouse (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @07:59PM1 reply