An anonymous reader writes "A new study shows that companies hire foreign workers for cheap labor, not skill." From the article:"When you look at computer job titles by state, California has one of the biggest differentials between OES salaries and H-1B salaries. The average salary for a programmer in California is $73,960, according to the OES. The average salary paid to an H-1B visa worker for the same job is $53,387; a difference of $20,573 ... H-1B visa workers were also concentrated at the bottom end of the wage scale, with the majority of H-1B visa workers in the 10-24 percentile range. 'That means the largest concentration of H-1B workers make less than [the] highest 75 percent of the U.S. wage earners,' the report notes. " The H-1B Swindle Log in/Create an Account | Top | 548 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 548 comments 0: 546 comments 1: 414 comments 2: 278 comments 3: 63 comments 4: 31 comments 5: 13 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. (1) | 2 This is news? (Score:5, Insightful) by Bob McCown (8411) on Tuesday October 25, @04:44PM (#13875097) (http://www.cafepress...x?storeid=wonthetoss) Anyone who has been in the computer industry for more than a few months knows this. Its prevalent everywhere. Don't let them say "there aren't enough engineers to go around", thats pure horse hockey. HIB workers arre cheaper, plain and simple. [ Reply to ThisRe:This is news? by BYC(VCU.EDU) (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:51PMRe:This is news? by deanj (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:56PM Slightly incorrect research. (Score:5, Insightful) by Axe (11122) on Tuesday October 25, @04:57PM (#13875261) Data on the public disclosure site lists salaries for H1B workers at the moment they were hired. On average that would be unvervalued by about 4 to 5 years of raises - when most of H1B were hired.Other issue is that it does not compare apples to apples: most H1b are non-managerial positions with relatively low experience, while national average includes middle managers. One need to compare H1B to the people in the same position.And it looks like reducing numbers of H1Bs does wonders to the IT jobs retention in U.S. indeed. Not. [ Reply to This | Parent Raises (Score:5, Insightful) by drgonzo59 (747139) on Tuesday October 25, @05:42PM (#13875795) If the companies are using the H1B workers to pay them $20,000/yr less, do you think they'll give them large raises. What if they don't? The H1B code monkeys aren't going anywhere, they'll work for $30,000/yr, it is still better than what they get in their home country. Most of them will underestimate the living expenses and will think they are getting a killer deal. It is like me, when I tell my family in Russia what I make here in America, they are all "ooh"-ing and "aah"-ing like I am some kind of a millionare, they don't know that my car insurance is $200/month and utilites another $150/month and car payments, mortgage, school loans etc etc [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Raises by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:48PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Raises by ScooterBill (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @07:01PMRe:Raises by chriso11 (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @07:38PM Re:Raises (Score:5, Insightful) by wealthychef (584778) on Tuesday October 25, @09:00PM (#13877235) (http://www.pleasantonplayhouse.com/myfairlady/) And I bet you wonder why the number of american kids enrolled in technology and science degree programs keeps dropping. I've got news for you - the kids aren't stupid - they see that there is no real future there. They ARE stupid if they think that science and engineering has no future. Where do these brilliant students go to make money? These geniuses are either going to leech off their parents or they are not going to be well off if they reject science as an option. Do you think a law degree or a medical degree is so lucrative compared to a good engineering degree? I'm not so sure about that. The truth is that kids aren't becoming scientists not because of money, but because they are looking for a way to have a good life, meaning make a good contribution to the world. We put scientists down as geeks and emphasize money over all else. There is zero appreciation for science in the popular culture, compared to Indian and Chinese cultures, where becoming an engineer makes you a respected professional, even a hero to your family. The fact is that unless we continue to improve our skills here, we will lose ground. The fact is that complaining about how hard our competition in the labor market works is not going to cut it -- we will have to work as hard as they do. They want it more, so they are getting it. They are offering their labor for a lower price and it is just as good usually. Why shouldn't they get the prize? [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Raises by billsoxs (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @11:40PMRe:Raises by syphax (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @12:04AMRe:Raises by Tablizer (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @12:51AM Also doesn't account for conversion (Score:5, Informative) by donutello (88309) on Tuesday October 25, @05:49PM (#13875883) Most H1B's are folks who've been in the workforce for a relatively shorter period of time. Most H1Bs are actually dual-status, which means they are applying for a Green Card while working as an H1B. Green Card processing typically takes 4-5 years. They are not classified as H1Bs once they get their Green Cards - which coincides with them acquiring additional experience and raises.I make more money now than when I was an H1B and it has nothing to do with my visa status and everything to do with the fact that I have more experience doing what I do now than I did before. [ Reply to This | Parent Re:Also doesn't account for conversion (Score:5, Informative) by a1englishman (209505) on Tuesday October 25, @06:27PM (#13876231) (Last Journal: Tuesday May 03, @12:02PM) Most H1B's are folks who've been in the workforce for a relatively shorter period of time. Most H1Bs are actually dual-status, which means they are applying for a Green Card while working as an H1B. Green Card processing typically takes 4-5 years. They are not classified as H1Bs once they get their Green Cards - which coincides with them acquiring additional experience and raises.This argument overlooks the fact that the H1-B program is designed to allow employers to aquire talent that isn't available within the US. That would mean that these people are valuable. They shouldn't be grunts, they should be people who poses detailed and specific information which wasn't avaible in an American candidate. That being the case, the H1-Bs should be appearing near the top of the pay curve, not the bottom. [ Reply to This | Parentah! an easy troll for a looong day! by efuseekay (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Also doesn't account for conversion by defunc (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:46PMRe:Slightly incorrect research. by tkrotchko (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @06:29PMRe:Slightly incorrect research. by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:16PMRe:Slightly incorrect research. by AltaMannen (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:00PMwhich are you, a manager or a foreigner? by tomcres (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:14PMRe:which are you, a manager or a foreigner? by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:24PMRe:which are you, a manager or a foreigner? by Rahga (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @08:08PMhackers need not apply by tomcres (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @09:22PMRe:hackers need not apply by jmulvey (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @10:01PMRe:which are you, a manager or a foreigner? by Karl Cocknozzle (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:36PMRe:Slightly incorrect research. by EireannX (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @08:52PMRe:Slightly incorrect research. by Axe (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @10:00PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:This is news? by deaddrunk (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:01PMRe:This is news? by Eunuchswear (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:15PMRe:This is news? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:This is news? by LeonGeeste (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:05PMRe:This is news? by vsprintf (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @06:26PMRe:This is news? by LeonGeeste (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @09:42PMRe:This is news? by cluckshot (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @10:04PMRe:This is news? by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @10:35PMRe:This is news? by msmercenary (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:15PMRe:This is news? by Impy the Impiuos Imp (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:28PMRe:This is news? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:47PMRe:This is news? by Seumas (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:56PM Re:This is news? (Score:4, Informative) by otisg (92803) on Tuesday October 25, @05:26PM (#13875617) (http://www.simpy.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday April 15, @01:58PM) I've been in the industry for about 10 years now, always surrounded by H-1B workers. They've all been WELL paid (software field). Moreover, INS (now USCIS) has a prevalent wage requirement for H-1B workers. I believe that wage is about $75K for software engineers currently. Thus, any employer offering a salary below this rate to a software engineers should/would be denied the H-1B visa.So, I'm not sure if what you are saying is really true, or.... I'm not going to get into that. [ Reply to This | Parent Re:This is news? (Score:4, Informative) by sapped (208174) <mstore1@ya[ ].com ['hoo' in gap]> on Tuesday October 25, @05:38PM (#13875767) I am an H-1B holder and can confirm this. Moreover H1's usually need a few years of experience to get into the country as well. I am often amongst the best paid people in the office because I am often one of the most experienced people.As others have pointed out the data is probably very skewed time wise. My recently approved green card application was for experience and salary levels from 2001 due to some quirky laws around the application. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:This is news? by twiddlingbits (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @06:53PMRe:This is news? by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:44PM Re:This is news? (Score:5, Insightful) by vsprintf (579676) on Tuesday October 25, @07:20PM (#13876639) Moreover, INS (now USCIS) has a prevalent wage requirement for H-1B workers. I believe that wage is about $75K for software engineers currently. Thus, any employer offering a salary below this rate to a software engineers should/would be denied the H-1B visa. There is a big difference between should and would. First, there is no active enforcement of H-1B program regulations. That has never been funded by Clinton or Bush, so the DOL simply doesn't do it - they don't have the people. The only way to get enforcement of the regulations is via lawsuit against a company. Second, any company hiring H-1Bs is allowed to use its own method to determine prevailing wage if they want, and the last time I checked, nearly 70% did so. They are also allowed to set the worker's title of course, so it's easy to hire an experienced programmer as an associate. The government's own study (as well as independent ones) have shown H-1Bs are paid 15% to 30% less than resident workers for the same job. (And I gave links to all this stuff the last time this subject came up, so it's pointless to do it again - it doesn't do any good.) Just because your company doesn't abuse the program doesn't mean that other companies are as ethical. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:This is news? by Tablizer (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @12:55AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:This is news? by beforewisdom (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @05:28PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:This is news? by demachina (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:30PMRe:This is news? by drgonzo59 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:51PMRe:This is news? by Descalzo (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:07PMRe:This is news? by Descalzo (Score:1) Wednesday October 26, @12:33AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:This is news? by MaceyHW (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:59PMRe:This is news? by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:46PMRe:This is news? by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:51PMRe:This is news? by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @10:00PMRe:This is news? by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @10:14PMRe:This is news? by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @11:41PMRe:This is news? by skubeedooo (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:12PMRe:This is news? by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:23PMRe:This is news? by bill_kress (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:05PMRe:This is news? by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @08:24PMAmen, brother! by Ungrounded Lightning (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:17PMRe:Amen, brother! by Axe (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:57PM4 replies beneath your current threshold. OK, that's obvious on the surface... (Score:5, Interesting) by ackthpt (218170) * on Tuesday October 25, @04:44PM (#13875098) (http://www.dragonswest.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 24, @01:27PM) What's beneath it is probably some hideous unethical, if not illegal, practice of hiring only H-1B people into jobs. [ Reply to ThisRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by Nahor (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:42PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by ackthpt (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:18PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by Nahor (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:42PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by ackthpt (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:01PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by Nahor (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @08:33PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by techdhasu (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:35PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by Axe (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @07:55PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by RobinH (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:35PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:25PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by EireannX (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @10:36PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by Nahor (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @11:30PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by Travoltus (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @12:27AMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by ray9x (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @11:40PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by ackthpt (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:18PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by sgt_doom (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:59PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by jp10558 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @11:10PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Missing the forrest for the trees by ackthpt (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:08PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by ackthpt (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:12PMRe:OK, that's obvious on the surface... by vsprintf (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:47PMOk, so I'm supposed to BUY your products? by Travoltus (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @12:11AM3 replies beneath your current threshold.This is common by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @04:44PMRe:This is common by The Infidel (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:51PMNot only that. by AltGrendel (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:57PMRe:This is common by bear_phillips (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @04:59PMRe:This is common by lordDallan (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @05:03PM Re:This is common (Score:4, Insightful) by MightyMartian (840721) on Tuesday October 25, @05:09PM (#13875410) Always remember, it's only illegal if you don't have the money to buy a politician. [ Reply to This | Parent Re:This is common (Score:4, Informative) by bear_phillips (165929) on Tuesday October 25, @05:27PM (#13875623) (http://www.yahoo.com/) Someone already did: Wal-Mart Loses Unpaid Overtime Case [cbsnews.com] [ Reply to This | Parent Re:This is common (Score:5, Funny) by h4x0r-3l337 (219532) on Tuesday October 25, @05:12PM (#13875446) 'employeer'?'thier'?'illigal'?And you wonder why companies hire foreign workers? [ Reply to This | ParentRe:This is common by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:23PManti-US mods??? by PW2 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:21PMoblig. pointing out of mistakes in parent post... by Animaether (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @07:46PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:This is common by thrillseeker (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:17PMRe:This is common by Sponge Bath (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @05:28PMSlavery by Descalzo (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @11:11PMRe:This is common by Sponge Bath (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @05:57PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:This is common (Score:5, Insightful) by timeOday (582209) on Tuesday October 25, @05:37PM (#13875745) Why should IT bear the brunt? Let's just open our borders completely and see how much cops, nurses, and mailmen make after we open up their position to everybody on earth.Do you really think Americans should receive no preference in getting American jobs? If your vision is realized, then countries are just meta-corporations with no alleigence to their own citizens. In that case, do you think anybody will be dumb enough to join the military in their defense? [ Reply to This | ParentRe:This is common by yogkarma (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @06:40PMRe:This is common by Excen (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:01PMRe:This is common by zippthorne (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:04PMRe:This is common by krbvroc1 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:33PMRe:This is common by zippthorne (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:46PMRe:This is common by krbvroc1 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:24PMRe:This is common by zippthorne (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @11:42PMYou know, you're right. by tkrotchko (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:55PMRe:This is common by screenrc (Score:2) Wednesday October 26, @12:24AMRe:This is common by Guppy06 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:14PMRe:This is common by ortholattice (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:19PMRe:This is common by thrillseeker (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:08PMRe:This is common by bommai (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @08:43PMRe:This is common by Rich0 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:47PMRe:This is common by john.r.strohm (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:27PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:This is common by pappy97 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:45PM Re:This is common (Score:4, Insightful) by raider_red (156642) <stodd1111@yahoo.com> on Tuesday October 25, @05:47PM (#13875849) (Last Journal: Friday February 25, @01:27PM) This is already subverting the free market by opening a loophole which allows employers to look outside their home market in order to undercut workers in their own market.It's unethical for two reasons. First, the H1B regulations require that employers pay prevailing market rates for the talent they're importing, which they clearly aren't. Second, it provides a lever to help lower everyone else's salaries, while the executives pocket huge bonuses for dubious reasons. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:This is common by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @06:49PMRe:This is common by raider_red (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:23PMReply to sig. by Descalzo (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @11:17PM Re:This is common (Score:4, Insightful) by tkrotchko (124118) * on Tuesday October 25, @06:42PM (#13876343) (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vfkrotchko/) "Do you think these foreign workers sould be entitled to some sort of guaranteed wage minimum, comparable to those holding similar skills that are native to the country?"Actually yes.Follow my logic here...If the intent of H1B is to get talent that simply isn't available locally, then the best way to treat these workers is to give them a green card the moment they're hired. That way, there is no pressure to stay with an employer if they are underpaid. If takes away any incentive to underpay these folks because they'll simply move elsewhere. That protects the H1B and the American worker.If the intent of the H1B is to get cheaper labor, then these folks are little better than indentured servent filling out time being underpaid for the promise of a green card after 5 years. If that's the intent of the law, then lets be honest about it and stop lying about the lack of local talent.[BTW: You can tell an ad to prove no local talent exists... its always like this:  WANTED: Senior Oracle DBA (10+ yr) with extensive Java programming skills, and Masters Degree in Mathematics. Salary up to $48K depending on relevant experience.] [ Reply to This | ParentRe:This is common by SeaFox (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:54PMRe:This is common by xero314 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @11:42PM3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:This is common by sgt_doom (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:13PM3 replies beneath your current threshold. Cost to hire? (Score:4, Interesting) by fataugie (89032) on Tuesday October 25, @04:45PM (#13875107) (http://home-at-yo-mammas.house.com/) Has anyone considered the cost to aquire and hold H1-B1 papers for a overseas worker? What about when the contract is up? The company is responsible to return the worker, who pays for that? [ Reply to ThisRe:Cost to hire? by BlueCup (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:49PMRe:Cost to hire? by orderb13 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:19PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Cost to hire? by tweedledopey (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:58PMRe:Cost to hire? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:00PMYou are a /.er with an Asian GF that reads /.?? by GNUALMAFUERTE (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:19PMRe:Cost to hire? by beef curtains (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:51PMGeography correction by saha (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @05:59PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:Cost to hire? (Score:5, Insightful) by _Sharp'r_ (649297) <sharper@bELIOToo ... w.com minus poet> on Tuesday October 25, @05:01PM (#13875302) (http://www.booksunderreview.com/ | Last Journal: Friday August 29, @10:38PM) The article and referenced study is useless. It doesn't account for permit fees and the cost of regulation compliance, it doesn't control for the employee's age/experience/skills. It tries to generalize across huge categories of workers (programmer/analyst?) that in reality vary wildly.The theory that "funny-named people who speak with an accent tend to have a harder time getting hired for as much money" is as equally sound of a conclusion as this guy's conclusion. At least my theory could actually be proved if you used better information in the study. It's a lot harder to prove a mind-reading result with financial data, as opposed to say, a controlled survey of the people who have hired H1-B workers.The article can be summed up as:1. Add up some random salary facts2. Ignore any major controls for those facts3. Draw completely irrelevent conclusion (He makes a socialogical conclusion reading employers minds based on financial data.)4. Post a commentary to /. in order to get traffic and notice. Make sure your conclusion is in line with /. reader's financial interests.4. ????5. Profit! [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Cost to hire? by Bobzibub (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:33PMRe:Cost to hire? by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:09PMRe:Cost to hire? by rob.wolfe (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:10PMRe:Cost to hire? by sl4shd0rk (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:31PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. From the well-duh dept. (Score:4, Insightful) by Trogre (513942) on Tuesday October 25, @04:45PM (#13875108) (http://slashdot.org/) A new study shows that companies hire foreign workers for cheap labor, not skill.I'm curious, did anyone at all believe otherwise? [ Reply to ThisRe:From the well-duh dept. by Bob McCown (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:47PMRe:From the well-duh dept. by CastrTroy (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:50PMRe:From the well-duh dept. by Terralthra (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:00PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:From the well-duh dept. by Thud457 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:50PM Re:From the well-duh dept. (Score:4, Insightful) by IdleTime (561841) on Tuesday October 25, @05:22PM (#13875567) Well, I came on an L-1 visa and had close to 15 years experience in my field. I'm paid better than most of my coworkers and I'm currently in the top 5% that the company want to retain at all cost. My company also sponsor green cards for the workers that need them. In some areas, it doesn't matter where you come from as long as you have the right skills. I'm from a north european country and can honestly say that I will not get an American citizenship, ever. I probably move back home in 5 - 10 years time and retire. [ Reply to This | Parentand that's exactly why you _shouldn't_ be hired by tomcres (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @07:20PMRe:and that's exactly why you _shouldn't_ be hired by Bake (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @07:34PMtaxes contribute nothing.. by tomcres (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @08:01PMRe:taxes contribute nothing.. by Aardpig (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @09:57PMso fix the problem by tomcres (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @10:22PM4 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:From the well-duh dept. by Billly Gates (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:40PMRe:From the well-duh dept. by twiddlingbits (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @07:04PMRe:From the well-duh dept. by Impy the Impiuos Imp (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:37PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.They make more than me by nb caffeine (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:45PMRe:They make more than me by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:48PMRe:They make more than me by nb caffeine (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:55PMRe:They make more than me by elcid73 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:06PMRe:They make more than me by nb caffeine (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:10PMRe:They make more than me by elcid73 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:19PMRe:They make more than me by nb caffeine (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:24PMRe:They make more than me by wombert (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:23PMRe:They make more than me by tompaulco (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:24PMRe:They make more than me by jxs2151 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:54PMRe:They make more than me by plopez (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:04PMRe:They make more than me by nb caffeine (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:08PMRe:They make more than me by plopez (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @06:05PMRe:They make more than me by bzipitidoo (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @11:09PMRe:They make more than me by Lumpy (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:24PMRe:They make more than me by nb caffeine (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:27PMOf course... by elcid73 (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:45PMRe:Of course... by Marxist Hacker 42 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:51PMRe:Of course... by nazzdeq (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:17PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by RentonSentinel (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:46PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by IANAAC (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:52PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by whitehatlurker (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:59PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by Retric (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @04:55PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by RentonSentinel (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @05:26PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by RentonSentinel (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:24PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by Spy der Mann (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:38PMRe:If this were true, why no Mexican H1Bs? by thrillseeker (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:30PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Report sponsored by The Programmer's Guild (Score:4, Insightful) by Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) * <seebert@seeberfamily.org> on Tuesday October 25, @04:46PM (#13875128) (http://www.informationr.us/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 20, @08:14PM) Working since 2000 to bring you news of how badly programmers are treated! Still, in reality, is this any different than Norm Matloff's reports saying exactly the same thing over the past 5 years? And does anybody REALLY have any doubt that guest worker programs are just ways to lower wages in a given industry? The exact same method was used to break up the California Agriculture Worker's Union back in the 1970s- and will continue to be used. [ Reply to ThisRe:Report sponsored by The Programmer's Guild by Baldrson (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @05:54PMRe:Report sponsored by The Programmer's Guild by Marxist Hacker 42 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @06:20PMHow to save big $ by lancejjj (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @04:48PMRe:How to save big $ by Axe (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @05:06PM