Spy der Mann writes "A unique system that can produce Hydrogen inside a car using common metals such as Magnesium and Aluminum was recently developed by an Israeli company. The system solves all of the obstacles associated with the manufacturing, transporting and storing of hydrogen to be used in cars. And it's completely emission free."Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='power,science';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; The Car That Makes Its Own Fuel Log in/Create an Account | Top | 72 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 72 comments 0: 67 comments 1: 44 comments 2: 28 comments 3: 8 comments 4: 3 comments 5: 0 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. Big deal. (Score:4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25, @12:30AM (#13869254) I can produce methane inside my body using only common vegetables such as beans. OK, so it's not emission free. [ Reply to This Editors (Score:1, Flamebait) by HEbGb (6544) on Tuesday October 25, @12:31AM (#13869261) You guys are total suckers. Come on! [ Reply to This Example of moving the pollution elsewhere (Score:3, Insightful) by Futurepower(R) (558542) <futurepower@NOTanyofTHISmyrealbox.com> on Tuesday October 25, @12:32AM (#13869268) (http://futurepower.org/) From the article referenced by the Slashdot story: "The metal atoms will bond to the Oxygen from the water, creating metal oxide. As a result, the Hydrogen molecules are free, and will be sent into the engine alongside the steam." This is just an example of moving the pollution elsewhere. The metal must be refined, at great cost to the environment. Then it is oxidized in a "pollution free" car. [ Reply to This/. editors played video games in science class. by Futurepower(R) (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @12:47AMRe:/. editors played video games in science class. by Max Romantschuk (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:59AMRe:Example of moving the pollution elsewhere by shmlco (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @12:47AM Too good to be true (Score:1) by CompSciStud4U (877987) on Tuesday October 25, @12:32AM (#13869270) This seems way too good to be true. Anybody with some credible knowledge care to debunk it? [ Reply to ThisRe:Too good to be true by anOminousCow (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @12:51AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Sounds like BS (Score:4, Insightful) by pinkocommie (696223) on Tuesday October 25, @12:33AM (#13869277) Reading the article it says the way it works is by superheating water and using a metal catalyst to seperate H2 and O using the super heated steam and hydrogen to fuel the car. The problem not mentioned at all in the article is where does the super heated water come from? [ Reply to ThisRe:Sounds like BS by theguywhosaid (Score:3) Tuesday October 25, @12:39AMRe:Sounds like BS by anOminousCow (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:40AMRe:Sounds like BS by ZachPruckowski (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:40AM Nice but... (Score:2) by lothar97 (768215) * <`gro.ikslegims' `ta' `newo'> on Tuesday October 25, @12:34AM (#13869282) (http://trademarks.smiglaw.com/blog/ | Last Journal: Wednesday November 10, @04:58PM) The second article [slashdot.org] in as many months. I now know of a second target for big oil.In all seriousness, I wish them success. It remains to be seen whether they can create an efficient system for collecting the corroded/expended metal. How often do you see puddles of leaked material under a car? No mention of how much "metal oxide" this venicle produces, but I cannot imagine it's something we want leaked onto the ground.I'd put my money on the H2N-Gen, but then again that guy's being sued for patent infringment [engadget.com]. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. lol... (Score:1) by Mister White (892068) on Tuesday October 25, @12:34AM (#13869284) Let's see just how long it takes for this to be a real-world application...assuming it's even legit. [ Reply to This Yes... (Score:2) by SealBeater (143912) on Tuesday October 25, @12:34AM (#13869286) (http://www.sealbeater.com/) This is what I've been waiting for from hydrogen. Something that will let me pour water into my tank and go. Give me horsepower and I'm set!!!SealBeater [ Reply to ThisRe:Yes... by xgamer04 (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:53AM water -is- an emission (Score:1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25, @12:35AM (#13869289) Pretend you are in Minneapolis, 5 am, 20 below fahrenheit, the sun won't rise for at least two more hours. It is rush hour. All the cars are putting out steam, which billows white in the frigid air. Ice coats your rear bumper and the streets, an ice fog reduces visibility to a car length or so. [ Reply to ThisRe:water -is- an emission by SealBeater (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:39AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold. No no no no (Score:3, Funny) by ericdano (113424) on Tuesday October 25, @12:35AM (#13869290) (http://www.jazz-sax.com/) No no. This simply can not be. The Oil companies, with their record profits, are developing this type of thing. If they haven't come up with it, then it simply does not exist. [ Reply to ThisRe:No no no no by superpulpsicle (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:39AM Run this by me again? (Score:2) by ZachPruckowski (918562) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Tuesday October 25, @12:36AM (#13869291) I suppose it is technically possible, but they have to heat the water to high temperatures to do this. So, according to the Article, they should need something to get the water hot. But I see nothing that does that. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. I don't get it... (Score:1) by Aenema (916366) on Tuesday October 25, @12:37AM (#13869302) Refuelling the car based on this technology will also be remarkably simple. The vehicle will contain a mechanism for rolling the metal wire into a coil during the process of fuelling and the spent metal oxide, which was produced in the previous phase, will be collected from the car by vacuum suction.I don't get it... What does a built in vacuuem have to do with fuel? [ Reply to ThisRe:I don't get it... by ZachPruckowski (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:44AM Where do Slashdot editors come from? (Score:4, Insightful) by Ancil (622971) on Tuesday October 25, @12:37AM (#13869303) The Hydrogen car Engineuity is working on will use metals such as Magnesium or Aluminum which will come in the form of a long coil. Is there any posibility we could send the entire slashdot editorial board to a class called "Thermodynamics 101"?Actually, a lot of Hydrogen Economy True Believers need to enroll in that same class. Nothing against hydrogen per se, but half the nation seems to think of it as an energy source, which of course it isn't.. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. IANAC but... (Score:1) by uc_nuhrd (833269) on Tuesday October 25, @12:39AM (#13869308) Does the car have a tummy-ache? How is producing Aluminum and Magnesium Hydroxide going to solve anything? I predict a lawsuit by Mylanta... [ Reply to This repackaging old tech? (Score:1) by maroonhat (845773) on Tuesday October 25, @12:39AM (#13869310) i remember seeing this sort of thing done to power russian torpedos (and it failing badly) [ Reply to This The zinc and magnesium cartels! (Score:2) by mister_llah (891540) on Tuesday October 25, @12:39AM (#13869317) (http://llahlahkje.deviantart.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday July 12, @09:36PM) Oh no! This will give the zinc and magnesium cartels a strangehold on the world economy!===It definately sounds too good to be true, but I guess we'll see in a couple of years when the thing goes commercial, eh? [ Reply to This I have advice for the company: (Score:2) by bogaboga (793279) on Tuesday October 25, @12:40AM (#13869324) File a patent to this invention - fast! Otherwise someone may do it making you lose money big time. [ Reply to ThisRe:I have advice for the company: by ZachPruckowski (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:47AM Bollocks. (Score:1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25, @12:41AM (#13869326) Yes, you can get hydrogen out of acids by combining them with metals like aluminium or magnesium -- or hell, even sodium with water. But the cost of refining these metals in the first place is very high.For instance, aluminium is produced by electrolysis: the ore is dissolved in cryolite, and the pure metal produced by passing an electric current through it. (Details [wikipedia.org])There's a number of aluminium smelters in Australia (my home country); at least one of these has its own dedicated power plant, burning brown coal to produce its electricity.So no, it's not "making its own fuel". The fuel is the refined metal and the acids (or water) that are combined with them to make the hydrogen gas. The fact that burning the hydrogen is what generates the useful energy is irrelevant to this point. The pollution is shifted to wherever the power to make the metals is produced.When it comes to energy, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. [ Reply to This Article Text (Score:1, Insightful) by dcapel (913969) on Tuesday October 25, @12:41AM (#13869328) (http://www.freewebs.com/wotnarg) Using our factory prooven VapoMax technology, we use common metals to generate hydrogen to power your car on! Our PATENTED fission-fusion transduction method uses a ion-converter coil to bring you: THE CAR THAT MAKES ITS OWN FUEL!A unique system that can produce Hydrogen inside a car using common metals such as Magnesium and Aluminum was developed by an Israeli company based in. The system solves all of the obstacles associated with the manufacturing, transporting and storing of hydrogen to be used in cars, plus it runs Duke Nukeem Forever on a new POWER-based-ARM processor with 500 gigs of visio-ram harddrive access. When it becomes commercial, real soon now(c), the system will be incorporated into cars that will cost nothing to run, and will be completely emission free-- they even reverse pollution!Soon, you can drive in your eco-friendly Vapo-car, while playing Duke Nukeem forever, past clear mountain streams flowing into cities powered by rainbows! [ Reply to ThisRe:Article Text by Zen Punk (Score:2) Tuesday October 25, @12:47AM Super-heated Water (Score:1) by rips123 (654488) on Tuesday October 25, @12:44AM (#13869337) The 'ignition' problem exists in regular cars as well. My guess is that they would use a small amount of stored hydrogen to kick start the process. The 'waste' from the engine is coincidentally super-heated water which could then be used to keep the cycle running. [ Reply to This Lets assume this works as advertised (Score:2) by xrayspx (13127) on Tuesday October 25, @12:44AM (#13869338) (http://www.xrayspx.com/) Is the infrastructure to transport Magnesium and Aluminum easier to implement than the infrastructure to transport Hydrogen? I guess an Aluminum tanker never left a huge smoking crater in the ground, but it seems like transport costs would be at least similar. [ Reply to This Link to Engineuity (Score:1) by jimmy page (565870) <ug2b@jun o . com> on Tuesday October 25, @12:45AM (#13869345) http://engineuitycoil.nationprotect.net/ [nationprotect.net] [ Reply to This Back To the Future? (Score:1) by moderndayknight (899410) on Tuesday October 25, @12:46AM (#13869350) (Last Journal: Saturday August 06, @03:05PM) If this really works, I wonder how long until we can use aluminum soda cans, like Doc did in the movie.It would definitely help with recycling, because everyone would have a real-world incentive to save their cans and not junk them. Then again, the metal is probably too impure, and it would take a lot of soda cans. It would be a step in that direction, though. [ Reply to This obSimpsons reference (Score:2) by furiousgeorge (30912) on Tuesday October 25, @12:47AM (#13869354) LISA! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!! [ Reply to This One bad idea for another (Score:1) by Vile Slime (638816) on Tuesday October 25, @12:48AM (#13869362) So,We eliminate the handling of hydrogen, a not incredibly obnoxious element and substitute the handling of a metal oxide which I would guess is going to kill some sort of lizard or bird if not handled properly.This ain't a solution, it's pie-in-the-sky dreaming... [ Reply to This This site looks like fluff... (Score:2) by rolfwind (528248) on Tuesday October 25, @12:49AM (#13869366) And I think that storing and using hydrogen in cars is not a problem, I read of a guy who converted his 1950's car (diesel?) to run hydrogen in the 1960's (teenager at the time with a handmedown). He had to make some modifications to certain components because hydrogen is a gas, not a liquid, and is also corrosive to certain metals/alloys but nothing major.Correct me if I wrong, but isn't hydrogen's biggest problem simply that it's stored in water (for us on earth) and that the electrolysis to seperate it has like only 8% efficiency? Steam Electrolysis is more efficient, but how is this a breakthrough? [ Reply to This Google News Headline, 23rd October 2040 (Score:2) by Wolfier (94144) on Tuesday October 25, @12:53AM (#13869373) Water price dips to $50 a barrel... [ Reply to This Water is an emission with enough cars. (Score:2) by Maxo-Texas (864189) on Tuesday October 25, @12:57AM (#13869386) First, mining, smelting, transporting these metals is going to cause pollution.But any hydrogen based car system is going to dump a lot of water into the environment if everyone goes to hydrogen. I wonder with 200 million cars if the water/water vapor is going to act as a pollutant, encourage mold growth, etc. [ Reply to This Re:FP BS! (Score:1) by ElBorba (221626) <[moc.b-dna-l] [ta] [nodnarb]> on Tuesday October 25, @12:49AM (#13869367) (http://www.l-and-b.com/) No, seriously, I don't think you can mod this troll. This "article" is pulled from some sort of promotional flier or something. Not only is there a complete lack of any type of criticism but there's no hint as to what sorts of infrastructure would really be required to implement this "thing". I'm all for supporting the sciences and research and hey, I'm even psyched for the eventual advent of hydrogen or other yet unnamed types of personal transportation, but this piece makes it sound like a done deal when there's nothing at all in the article to make any judgement about...  ...other than the fact that the fuel coil will be 3 TIMES THE WEIGHT OF A CONVENTIONAL PETROL TANK. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:FP BS! by Furmy (Score:1) Tuesday October 25, @12:54AM Re:Jumping by pulling your own hair (Score:2) by gid13 (620803) on Tuesday October 25, @12:54AM (#13869376) Homer: In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics! [ Reply to This | Parent20 replies beneath your current threshold.