linumax writes "The Association of American Publishers, an organization of book publishers including Pearson Plc's Penguin unit and McGraw-Hill sued Google over its plan to create a digital Web library of printed books. The Association of American Publishers sued Wednesday after talks broke down with Google over copyright issues raised by the Google Print Library Project. Publishers say Google will infringe copyrights unless it gets advance permission for the scanning. The suit is the second by the publishing industry against Google's library plans and underscores the worries sparked by Google's expansion beyond Web search." From the article: "Google, which is working with five of the world's great libraries (Stanford, Harvard and Michigan university libraries, the New York Public Library and the Bodleian library in Oxford) to digitise their collections, stopped scanning copyrighted books in August after protests from publishers. 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Won't matter for long (Score:4, Interesting) by dada21 (163177) * <dada.dnginc@com> on Thursday October 20, @11:29AM (#13836277) We are mere months (maybe a year) away from the ability to completely scan any book and convert it accurately to text based PDF in under an hour. It will likely be F/OSS software that does it, released ostensibly to save old books in the public domain.When this happens, books will end up on P2P just like movies, music, porn, and images. Just as P2P helps people find interesting musicians and performers, it will help people find interesting writers and authors.No one can stop it. The big delay was caused by lack of available hardware to handle the intensive scanning and converting. We've seen software that can use a webcam or cellcam to scan documents quickly. This is processor performance driven. PCs aren't getting slower.5 huge libraries and a multibillion dollar corporation can not compete with hundreds of millions of end users volunteering a few hours a year to copy their favorite books. The entire published collection of books for the last hundred years could be online by 2007.Google should be embraced by publishers, not sued. Google could track interest, topically sort similar novel(list)s, and provide a great research tool and froogle-to-buy source.If the RIAA had iTunes before Napster, who knows where we'd be. If the MPAA embraced e-distribution at a reasonable price and quality, the same is true.People don't become pirates for financial reasons of theft, but of supply and demand. Hundreds of millions of BT users would rather pay $1 than waste hundreds of hours on low quality, low speed, high risk piracy. [ Reply to This Re:Won't matter for long (Score:4, Informative) by MaestroSartori (146297) on Thursday October 20, @11:37AM (#13836375) (http://www.cubo.co.uk/) We are mere months (maybe a year) away from the ability to completely scan any book and convert it accurately to text based PDF in under an hour. It will likely be F/OSS software that does it, released ostensibly to save old books in the public domain.When this happens, books will end up on P2P just like movies, music, porn, and images. Just as P2P helps people find interesting musicians and performers, it will help people find interesting writers and authors. We're already practically there. Books already appear on P2P just like all of everything else. I downloaded a book just this weekend in fact, completely infringing the copyright in the process. I don't feel a shred of guilt, however, because I can't buy the book I want here yet (hardback only, paperback release date seems to vary between some time next month up to a year away). It's the 11th book in a series, I have 1-10 sitting on the shelf, but I'm not gonna buy a completely oversized hardback to continue the series.So yeah, I'm guilty as sin. But who am I really hurting, since I have the cash in my pocket and am willing to exchange it for something that just doesn't exist yet? And which I 100% guaranteed *will* buy when it does? [ Reply to This | Parent Re:Won't matter for long (Score:5, Funny) by Zarhan (415465) on Thursday October 20, @11:50AM (#13836545) It's the 11th book in a series, I have 1-10 sitting on the shelf, but I'm not gonna buy a completely oversized hardback to continue the series.If you are talking about Wheel of Time, I have found that it's much easier just reading the plot summaries or the stuff at book-a-minute [rinkworks.com]. After all, nothing much has happened lately :). At least the number 10 [rinkworks.com] is pretty darn accurate. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Won't matter for long by JeTmAn81 (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:58AMno kidding (way OT) by BitterAndDrunk (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:58AMRe:no kidding (way OT) by LurkerXXX (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:14PMRe: spoiler alert (ot again) by BitterAndDrunk (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @02:28PMRe:Won't matter for long by MooUK (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:02PMRe:Won't matter for long by bluGill (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:47PMRe:Won't matter for long by grasshoppa (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:06PMRe:Won't matter for long by rben (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:09PMRe:Won't matter for long by JeTmAn81 (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:13PMRe:Won't matter for long by ebyrob (Score:2) Sunday October 23, @07:48PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Won't matter for long by dada21 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:30PMRe:Won't matter for long by ghostfacehallik (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @01:44PMThe problem in deciding what to feel guilty about by Create an Account (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:33PMRe:The problem in deciding what to feel guilty abo by MaestroSartori (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:01PMRe:The problem in deciding what to feel guilty abo by Create an Account (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:18PMRe:The problem in deciding what to feel guilty abo by dada21 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @06:23PMRe:The problem in deciding what to feel guilty abo by ebyrob (Score:2) Sunday October 23, @08:07PMRe:You *can* buy it. by MaestroSartori (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:53AMRe:You *can* buy it. by hal9000(jr) (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:22PMRe:You *can* buy it. by MaestroSartori (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:28PMWatch me stand against the groupthink tide by heinousjay (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @02:25PMRe:Watch me stand against the groupthink tide by MaestroSartori (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:42PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Won't matter for long by MooUK (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:57AMRe:Won't matter for long by AuMatar (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:21PMRe:Won't matter for long by MaestroSartori (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:22PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:34PMRe:Won't matter for long by Create an Account (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:51PMRe:Won't matter for long by MaestroSartori (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:03PMRe:Won't matter for long by Seumas (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:26PMNo, not really by Create an Account (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:47PMRe:Won't matter for long by KillerLoop (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:28PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:36PM3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Won't matter for long by Banner (Score:3) Thursday October 20, @11:44AMRe:Won't matter for long by stillmatic (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:48AM Re:Won't matter for long (Score:4, Interesting) by dada21 (163177) * <dada.dnginc@com> on Thursday October 20, @11:54AM (#13836593) I get paid $450 for a 6000 word story publicly in small media formats. 6000 words taken 2-3 hours to finalize.I could get about 4 cents per word for some online zines, or $240 for 3 hours.I know many authors who make well over $50,000 per year working 25 hours a week and never selling a novel.Novel:Story::CD:ConcertYou make good money on stories and series, not novels. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Won't matter for long by Banner (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:00PMRe:Won't matter for long by stillmatic (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:06PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:40PMRe:Won't matter for long by stillmatic (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:01PMRe:Won't matter for long by budgenator (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:44PMRe:Won't matter for long by eln (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:55AM Re:Won't matter for long (Score:4, Interesting) by Banner (17158) on Thursday October 20, @12:03PM (#13836689) (Last Journal: Monday July 25, @03:02PM) Yes, and most of those writers suck. Look at the internet, it's full of complete crap when it comes to stories. So how do you pick out the good ones? It's simple, publishing houses don't print garbage, they print stuff that they've first vetted and feel people are willing to pay to read.You see, publishing houses act as a big filter, filtering out the bad stuff and making it easy to find the good stuff. There are thousands of people who want to play pro sports too. Doesn't mean they're any good at it. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Won't matter for long by Alistar (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:50PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:44PMRe:Won't matter for long by hempalicious (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:07PMRe:Won't matter for long by orac2 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @05:30PMRe:Won't matter for long by Cerebus (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:41PMThey are not that type of filter! by bluGill (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:58PMFunction of the publishers by Create an Account (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:54PMRe:Function of the publishers by orac2 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @05:43PMRe:Won't matter for long by charlie763 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:12PMRe:Won't matter for long by lostjay888 (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @08:48PMMod parent up! Its NOT FLAMEBAIT by Banner (Score:3) Thursday October 20, @12:06PMRe:Won't matter for long by timeOday (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:09PMLobby for sane copyright terms. by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Friday October 21, @11:06AMRe:Won't matter for long by D'Sphitz (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:10PMRe:Won't matter for long by stanmann (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @01:13PMRe:Won't matter for long by zootm (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:32PMRe:Won't matter for long by zootm (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:35PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:48PMRe:Won't matter for long by zootm (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:03PMRe:Won't matter for long by budgenator (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @05:03PMRe:Won't matter for long by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:44AMRe:Won't matter for long by P3NIS_CLEAVER (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:48AMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:52PMRe:Won't matter for long by P3NIS_CLEAVER (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:29PMRe:Won't matter for long by Buran (Score:2) Sunday October 23, @09:40PMRe:Won't matter for long by TedCheshireAcad (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:48PMRe:Won't matter for long by orac2 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @06:08PMRe:Won't matter for long by TedCheshireAcad (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @06:50PMRe:Won't matter for long by orac2 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:33PMRe:Won't matter for long by ZombieRoboNinja (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:00PMRe:Won't matter for long by Radres (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:17PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:55PMRe:Won't matter for long by belroth (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:20PM As an Author, I agree (Score:5, Insightful) by FreeUser (11483) on Thursday October 20, @12:00PM (#13836657) (http://jean.nu/) We are mere months (maybe a year) away from the ability to completely scan any book and convert it accurately to text based PDF in under an hour. It will likely be F/OSS software that does it, released ostensibly to save old books in the public domain.When this happens, books will end up on P2P just like movies, music, porn, and images. Just as P2P helps people find interesting musicians and performers, it will help people find interesting writers and authors.As an author, I couldn't agree more.Most people want to curl up with a good book and read in comfort, lying in bed, on their couch, in their recliner (cracking fire and comfortable cup of tea/coffee/hot chocolate optional). A few folks don't mind sitting in front of a computer to read, but the rest of us like good old fashioned, physical books in our hands, and what Google is doing is not only NOT a threat to the sale of traditional bound books, it is a boon.What it isn't a boon for is old guard publishers having a stranglehold on exposure anymore, meaning that self-published, POD, and other less traditional forms of publishing gain more leverage in attracting interested eyes, without having to somehow get ahold of that coveted shelf space in a brick-and-mortor store.Not that I don't covet that for my novel (I do), but the more accessible the information is to those looking for it, the more people will buy the physical version of the book.The AAR has its head up its ass, and win-or-lose on this particular lawsuit, they and their constituents are going to lose bigtime if they don't update their mentality to fit with the technological reality of today, and begin exploiting the opportunities it offers. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:As an Author, I agree by Rycross (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:10PMEvP by Mandrel (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:36PMRe:As an Author, I agree by object88 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:45PMRe:As an Author, I agree by dada21 (Score:3) Thursday October 20, @12:12PMRe:As an Author, I agree by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:00PMRe:As an Author, I agree by dada21 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:17PMRe:As an Author, I agree by budgenator (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @05:19PMRe:As an Author, I agree by RoboPimp_3000 (Score:1) Friday October 21, @03:52AMRe:As an Author, I agree by budgenator (Score:2) Friday October 21, @10:11AMRe:As an Author, I agree by robertjw (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:38PMRe:As an Author, I agree by robertjw (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @10:28PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:As an Author, I agree by daigu (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @06:57PMRe:Won't matter for long by iezhy (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:16PMUSian associations... by jotaeleemeese (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:44PMRe:USian associations... by cpt kangarooski (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:53PMRe:USian associations... by iezhy (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:47PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Demand for books is far less than music by Simonetta (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:23PMRe:Demand for books is far less than music by karnal (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:34PMRe:Demand for books is far less than music by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:03PMRe:Demand for books is far less than music by bypedd (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @03:19PMRe:Won't matter for long by Arpie (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:43PMRe:Won't matter for long by stienman (Score:3) Thursday October 20, @01:01PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:17PMRe:Won't matter for long by stienman (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:53PMShit, that's damning. by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Friday October 21, @12:21PMRe:Won't matter for long by bob frost (Score:1) Friday October 21, @03:02PMRe:Won't matter for long by Dracolytch (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:55AM Re:Won't matter for long (Score:5, Funny) by eln (21727) on Thursday October 20, @11:58AM (#13836623) the army of proopfreadersUnfortunately, none of them volunteer their time to Slashdot. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Won't matter for long by Mandrel (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:51PMRe:Won't matter for long by stanmann (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @01:17PMRe:Won't matter for long by dada21 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:18PMRe:Won't matter for long by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:15PMRe:Won't matter for long by dada21 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:59PMRe:Won't matter for long by AlterTick (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @03:52PM5 replies beneath your current threshold. So...... (Score:2, Insightful) by hcob$ (766699) on Thursday October 20, @11:29AM (#13836279) One of the bigges online collections of data will be violating copywrights by copying information provided by libraries... Guess we need to outlaw coppiers in libraries... [ Reply to ThisOr, we could post statments on them! by benhocking (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:39AMRe:Or, we could post statments on them! by bleckywelcky (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:46PMGood question by benhocking (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:32PMRe:So...... by Iriel (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @11:42AMRe:So...... by hcob$ (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:51AMRe:So...... by Iriel (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:17PM A Pyrrhic victory (Score:2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20, @11:30AM (#13836302) I'll be very surprised if Google win, and when they lose they'll move to an opt-in system. And the publishers who don't join will soon realise the mistake they've made and join anyway. Or haemorrhage authors to publishers who allow their books to be found.This is a monumental waste of money. [ Reply to ThisRe:A Pyrrhic victory by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:41PMlawsuit=="monumental waste of money" by Anomalyst (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @06:22PMRe:Opt-in = enormous quantities of lost knowledge by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:21PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold. How is this different from a library? (Score:2) by Mister White (892068) on Thursday October 20, @11:32AM (#13836312) I mean, just because it's online, it's not something of a 'public library'? How so? Do libraries have to get permission from every single publisher of every single piece of media they release? I think not. Why? Because they're not using the content in their own works. THAT is where infringement would be applicable. In Google's case, you're purely and simply going to see the content of the book, including copyrights and credits. So, again, how is this different from a library? I'd say they're very much in the clear here. [ Reply to ThisRe:How is this different from a library? by happyfrogcow (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:47AMGoogle Print is not evil (PITA to use, mebbe) by Bimo_Dude (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:36PMRe:Google Print is not "good" or "honest" either by Bimo_Dude (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:56PMRe:Google Print is not "good" or "honest" either by Bimo_Dude (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @03:12PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Google Print is not "good" or "honest" either by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:29PMRe:Google Print is not "good" or "honest" either by julesh (Score:2) Friday October 21, @01:42PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Google Print is not "good" or "honest" either by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:23PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:How is this different from a library? by zootm (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:08PM Re:How is this different from a library? (Score:5, Informative) by GreenPhreak (60944) on Thursday October 20, @12:05PM (#13836711) What no one seems to understand here is that just because Google is scanning all of these books, the end-user can NOT see all of the text of a given book. Unlike the online information that Google indexs, where one can search and then connect to the full webpage of any search hits, the library project will only make available the search quotation and the sentence or so around it for context.For example, if I were to look up: "JubJub Bird", it would return something like this:-----------Jabberwocky, Lewis Carroll (from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872)"Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!"-----------Now is this giving away the entire contents of this copyrighted work? No. It is merely giving the searcher a hint of where to look for more information. In order to give away all of the information in a copyrighted text, one would have to know exactly what to search in sentence after sentence of that text. So it really isn't giving away anything. It most assuredly isn't giving away more information that Amazon.com does when you can open up the book and look at a few sample pages.In the same way that Google offers a searchable catalog of online web information, it will now offer a super-catalog search for library contents. I, for one, think that this will be an invaluable resource for anyone who does academic research, or a person who merely wants to know all of the references on a particular subject and relevant resources. Have some forsight, publishers of the world! This will only increase your profits when people purchase relevant texts to their interests.                                                                              greenphreak [ Reply to This | ParentRe:How is this different from a library? by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:19PMCan we fight them for what they actually do? Hmm? by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Friday October 21, @01:29PM3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:How is this different from a library? by JasonKChapman (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:10PMHow does Google get its copy? by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Friday October 21, @01:32PMRe:How is this different from a library? by westlake (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:36PMRe:How is this different from a library? by D'Sphitz (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:17PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.What? Huh? by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Friday October 21, @01:25PM3 replies beneath your current threshold. Who cares? (Score:3, Funny) by casualsax3 (875131) on Thursday October 20, @11:33AM (#13836328) Books are so 20th century. It it's not made of pixels I won't look at it. [ Reply to ThisRe:Who cares? by Infinityis (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:46AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? (Score:5, Insightful) by yagu (721525) * <yayagu AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday October 20, @11:34AM (#13836339) (Last Journal: Sunday October 16, @06:38PM) I once almost collided with Pat Schroeder crossing the street in downtownDenver. Maybe I should have (we were both on foot, btw).I'm surprised Pat Schroeder is involved with or leading the charge in attemptsto throttle Google. She offers tepid reasoning (probably not enough prep timespent with handlers) (from the article) : if Google can make digital copies of the books, ANYONE can make digitalcopies. (duh). So, exactly what it the concern about this? I haven't heard ofany pirating of books. And, people have been making copies of books forever. Guesswhat?, copying a book would far EXCEED the cost of buying one! She argued that Google's plan to have libraries scan the full textof books goes far beyond the analogy of creating a digital version ofa card catalogue, pointing out that "If Google wants a card cataloguethey can scan the book's front page for full bibliographic data."She's right! This does go far beyond creating a digital version ofa card catalog! Google's super-sized revved up digital card catalog qualifiesas a godsend to the publishing industry.The ability to do Google indexed book searches will spur reading, and sales, notmuffle it. How many slashdot readers have been thankful for the Amazon.com featureof letting you peek inside their books? Many times this has been the featuregiving me the final nudge to buy (though there also have been times where thatnudged me the other direction).When people start "discovering" books with Google's book searches, thevery worst thing that would happen would be that people would be brieflyexposed to books they otherwise might not have. But for "searchers" who find aninteresting book, they won't be ripping the publishers off by printing (stealing)or downloading (stealing) these books, since Google isn't offering that as an option.And assuming for the moment some figure out how to download a copy, they're leftwith a book on their computer... not convenient to read (e-books, still on respirator),and way too expensive to print (and aesthetically "not a book").So, the most likely result would be a library visit, or purchase.Come on Pat!, think again. [ Reply to ThisRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by Phanatic1a (Score:3) Thursday October 20, @11:43AMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by dantheman82 (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:20PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by Kismet (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:00PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by Jerry Coffin (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:01PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by bcrowell (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:23PM'Clearly Illegal?' What about fair use? by jjo (Score:3) Thursday October 20, @12:50PMRe:'Clearly Illegal?' What about fair use? by burris (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @01:42PMRe:'Clearly Illegal?' What about fair use? by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:49PMRe:'Clearly Illegal?' What about fair use? by Trepalium (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @05:23PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by burris (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:41PMCopying could be fair use by bgalbrecht (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @02:26PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:52PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by Hatta (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:22PMSharing Textbooks by SeanDuggan (Score:2) Friday October 21, @01:45PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by DickBreath (Score:1) Friday October 21, @04:32PMRe:hwah?, Pat Schroeder on point? by Oligonicella (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @02:33PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold. I blame it on... (Score:2, Funny) by TheRealMindChild (743925) on Thursday October 20, @11:34AM (#13836343) (http://www.mindchild.net/ | Last Journal: Tuesday August 02, @09:34AM) ... the RAIN! Yeah, Yeah.I mean, the rain don't mind and the rain dont care. And you gotta blame it on something [ Reply to ThisRe:I blame it on... by Sky Cry (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @11:47AM Like a mime... (Score:2, Interesting) by parasonic (699907) on Thursday October 20, @11:35AM (#13836360) ...They're hitting walls that they don't (for)see. Between this and the multitude of other legal issues that have arisen like the "name copyright" issue in the UK and the similar problem in Germany that forces them to call it Googlemail, I have begun to wonder how many more sectors/markets Google can possibly penetrate before hitting a legal or societal brick wall. They might do something that deems them as a "big business" or "monopoly" with all of the associated negative connotations. They've already infringed a little on privacy recently with their policy on using users' data. It will be interesting to see how far Google gets. [ Reply to ThisFantasy of mine... by LeonGeeste (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:13PM Rooting for Google (Score:4, Interesting) by Nom du Keyboard (633989) on Thursday October 20, @11:36AM (#13836368) I hope Google wins this one, and wins it big. I'm tired of living in the 19th century, and being told I should remain there by people who consider an electric typewriter to be too advanced for their use. Google believes they are within the current copyright laws, and they have more expensive lawyers than I do. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. Celsius 232.78 (Score:4, Insightful) by Quiet_Desperation (858215) on Thursday October 20, @11:36AM (#13836370) I guess we'll all have to memorize our favorite book. [ Reply to ThisRe:Celsius 232.78 by bluenirve (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:05PM Re:Celsius 232.78 (Score:4, Informative) by ke4roh (590577) * <(jimes) (at) (hiwaay.net)> on Thursday October 20, @12:10PM (#13836761) (http://home.hiwaay.net/~jimes | Last Journal: Monday January 26, @01:01PM) ROTFL! For those who didn't get it 232.78*9/5+32=451, the kindling temperature of paper in Fahrenheit, and that leads us to a popular Ray Bradbury novel about a society that burns all the books - wheren the citizens (who care about knowledge) must preserve the knowledge by memorizing their favorite books. The title: Fahrenheit 451. If you haven't already, read it now. [ Reply to This | Parent1 reply beneath your current threshold.Rankine 911 by tepples (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. High and mighty (Score:5, Informative) by ifelse (916112) on Thursday October 20, @11:37AM (#13836387) (http://ifelse.co.uk/) It's interesting to note that authors don't really have any say [kottke.org] in this affair even when they're in favour of Google Print [meghannmarco.com]. [ Reply to ThisRe:High and mighty by TheAwfulTruth (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @12:05PMRe:High and mighty by tepples (Score:1) Thursday October 20, @12:17PMRe:High and mighty by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:00PMRe:High and mighty by tepples (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @04:58PMRe:High and mighty by julesh (Score:2) Friday October 21, @09:08AMRe:High and mighty by tepples (Score:1) Friday October 21, @11:26AMRe:High and mighty by julesh (Score:2) Friday October 21, @01:50PMRe:High and mighty by julesh (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @03:57PMRe:High and mighty by TheAwfulTruth (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @05:11PMRe:High and mighty by julesh (Score:2) Friday October 21, @07:56AMRe:High and mighty by Tenareth (Score:2) Thursday October 20, @06:53PM Clueless publishers (Score:5, Insightful)