theodp writes "In a USA Today interview, Intel CEO Craig Barrett pooh-poohs arguments against outsourcing, explaining 'We do not send our basketball teams to compete against the rest of the world, saying the other teams have to play slower because our folks aren't fit enough to run as fast.' He is also fed up with being called a Benedict Arnold CEO (perhaps he'd prefer Unemployed Computer Scientist). Barrett pegs K-12 math and science education as the biggest threat to U.S. employment, but when pressed about U.S. kids who do well in both, attend excellent universities, but have no guarantees of good jobs when they graduate, Barrett remarks 'I don't have a solution to that one.'"Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='intel';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted. Intel Chief: Don't Call Us Benedict Arnold CEOs Log in/Create an Account | Top | 1033 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 1033 comments 0: 1019 comments 1: 779 comments 2: 501 comments 3: 113 comments 4: 73 comments 5: 53 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. (1) | 2 Hmmm (Score:4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 01, @12:27PM (#9027812) I'm reading this as I train my China replacements... Re:Hmmm (Score:4, Funny) by BlightThePower (663950) on Saturday May 01, @12:47PM (#9027955) When no-one is looking, knock them off the table and onto the floor. They are certain to smash. [ ParentRe:Hmmm by saden1 (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @02:02PMRe:Hmmm by ATMAvatar (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @08:43PMOn May Day? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @01:01PMRe:On May Day? by Tukla (Score:1)Tuesday May 04, @01:24PM It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor (Score:5, Insightful) by bangular (736791) on Saturday May 01, @01:13PM (#9028146) The reason companies outsource to China, India, etc. is because they can get away with paying these people next to nothing. They literally wouldn't be able to legally pay these people those wages in the US because they are below minimum wage. It's not about quality or anything like that. It's because these people live in such poor countries they can be paid next to nothing. If they legally could, I'm sure these companies would have slaves. If they want to pay these people the SAME US wages I have no problem with that. [ ParentYou know by Anonymous Coward (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @01:26PMRe:You know by 0racle (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @02:26PMRe:You know by E_elven (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @06:45PMRe:You know by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:19PMRe:You know by gujo-odori (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @03:31PMRe:You know by toiletmonster (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:53PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.It's much, much worse than you are saying. by Futurepower(R) (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @04:21PMRe:It's much, much worse than you are saying. by billcopc (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @05:23PMRe:It's much, much worse than you are saying. by kir (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @07:55PMRe:It's much, much worse than you are saying. by the morgawr (Score:1)Monday May 03, @02:30PMRe:Correction. Sorry, forgot to preview: by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:44PMPlease don't say anything inconvenient? by Futurepower(R) (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @11:05AMRepublicans say George W. Bush is incompetent, too by Futurepower(R) (Score:2)Monday May 03, @12:31AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:You know by Travoltus (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @04:32PMRe:You know by Zero Sum (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @04:52AMRe:You know by Roger Keith Barrett (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @09:09PMRe:You know by Zero Sum (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @04:37AMRe:You know by gcalvin (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @04:37PMForty years ago there was by DrMorpheus (Score:2)Monday May 03, @03:17PMRe:You know by Zero Sum (Score:2)Monday May 03, @06:43PMRe:You know by theglassishalf (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @09:21PMRe:The boy who cried wolf by instarx (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @04:18AM4 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by himalayantraveller (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:26PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by w42w42 (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @03:26PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by DJTodd242 (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @04:14PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by billcopc (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @05:19PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by entitude (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:29PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by Dirk Pitt (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:54PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by toiletmonster (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:26PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by killjoe (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @09:56PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by toiletmonster (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @10:13PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by killjoe (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @12:20AMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by instarx (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @04:32AMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by Mr. Hankey (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @04:11PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by michael_cain (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @01:40AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by toiletmonster (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:14PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by MerlynEmrys67 (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @02:33PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by Halfbaked Plan (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:46PM Re:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor (Score:5, Informative) by ashayh (636057) on Saturday May 01, @04:31PM (#9029610) Informative ??? What crap ..I dont know what you are smoking .. I'm from India and let me tell you a US$ 30K salray in India is equivalent to a US $500K salary in the US.The average programmer makes 20 000 Rs a month .. thats 5500 US$ a year. Many people make less than that. If people could make 30K a year there, why do you think thousands like me want to come to the US ?As for being able to afford maids etc .. its not that rosy. The difference is a maid in the US can do something to make her children go in good schools and have a better life. The maid who works for my landlord in the US comes to work in a toyota Highlander SUV... a car that only the super rich in India can afford. Hyundai sells a "high end" SUV in India which sold a grand total of 35 units in Feb 2004. [ ParentRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by Lips (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @06:32PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.consistency by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @03:43PM Re:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor (Score:4, Insightful) by composer777 (175489) on Saturday May 01, @03:53PM (#9029345) What's ironic, is that India is going through the same thing that the US was four years ago. They have such a demand for workers over there, that everyone and their brother is getting into IT, which leads to a lot of clueless programmers screwing things up. On top of that, even the good ones are making so much money that they just aren't that motivated. Think about it, if you have 5 years of salary sitting in the bank, what motivation will you have to work over 40 hours of week or to bust your ass? Meanwhile, in the US, most of the bad programmers have been weeded out, and what's left are over-worked, but extremely talented programmers who often have everything on the line. That explains the difference in quality, in my opinion, not some "difference in culture" as others have said. I think that it's purely market based. I still don't think that this will brigde the gap. There is just too large of a difference in pay, and I think we need to regulate "free" trade if we are to have any hope of preventing disasterous economic consquences. It's like an article that I have read on the CWA Union's website said, those that promote free trade basically are presenting an article of faith. They have nothing, they have no evidence at all that this will be good for society. In the mean time, they are making boatloads of cash during the "jobless recovery", and simply want us to just believe, without any evidence, that things will get better. It's pure BS, and I see no reason to believe these people, they have given me every reason not to trust them. By the way, here is that article by the CWA presenting their view on "free trade". See, not everybody in America is insane, you just have to turn off the tv and focus on other sources of news if you want to make sense of it all.http://www.cwa-union.org/news/CWANewsDisplay .asp?I D=1383 [ ParentRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by NDPTAL85 (Score:3)Sunday May 02, @11:34AMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by luwain (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @05:09PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by Epistax (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @07:42PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by toiletmonster (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:45PMRe:It's not about quality, it's about cheap labor by AmericanInKiev (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @09:55PMIts not about cheap labor, its about tax shelters by efficacymanUM (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @03:57AM5 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Hmmm by batura (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @02:33PMRe:productivity gains...really? by takochan (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @03:26PMFour Problems leading to outsourcing? by northstarlarry (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @07:08PMYour chinese replacements have a better value, by way2trivial (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @11:06PMRe:Hmmm by tommyboyprime (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @07:42AMRe:Hmmm by BrainStain (Score:1)Sunday May 16, @02:06AM Re:Hmmm (Score:4, Insightful) by Lemmy Caution (8378) on Saturday May 01, @02:18PM (#9028668) (http://localhost/) It's three things: cost of living, cost of living, and cost of living. Until housing and such is as expensive in India and China as it is in the US and Europe, it will always be cheaper to employ people there, and always be impossible for labor in the US to compete on price. The trouble is that the growing inequity in the US means that there isn't any downward pressure on prices in the US, either. The people who are making it can keep the prices afloat, and insofar as the primary equity for most American families is their homes, they sure as hell ain't gonna make the C.O.L. lower via reduced housing prices. [ Parent Re:Hmmm (Score:5, Insightful) by composer777 (175489) on Saturday May 01, @03:38PM (#9029249) If you bother to study history, you will notice that complaining is part of fixing the problem of free trade. Crying is important. America doesn't need to do accpet anything. And, let's be accurate, by America, you mean America's poor and middleclass, since clearly America's wealthy love free trade. Likewise, India's poor needs to quit protesting the fact that their farms are being put out of business by US corprorate agriculture. They just need to accept the change as a small minority in their country get rich by expoiting free trade. Here's something to think about, when you hear someone from India on slashdot talking about how wonderful free trade is, remember that only a minority of people in India can access the internet, and they are relatively wealthy. The majority of people around the world cannot stand this exploitative form of trade. If democracy means anything to you, then you will be in favor of allowing people to govern their own lives, rather than have them run by the richest in that society. [ ParentRe:Hmmm by Richthofen80 (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @08:03PMRe:Hmmm by Glasswire (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @10:16PMRe:Hmmm by zungu (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @08:26PMRe:Hmmm by identity0 (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @09:52PMRe:Hmmm by wintermute42 (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @11:16PMRe:Hmmm by zungu (Score:1)Monday May 03, @10:21AMRe:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @02:23AM Re:Hmmm; And don't complain about overtime (Score:5, Insightful) by composer777 (175489) on Saturday May 01, @03:41PM (#9029270) Rights are whatever people want them to be. That's the only reason people have rights to begin with, is because at some point everbody agreed that things like democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of unlawful entry, right to bear arms, would be a good thing to have in a free society. So, if enough people want it, then yes, it IS a right. It's worth thinking about. [ ParentFreedom OF unlawful entry? by JessLeah (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @06:48PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Hmmm; And don't complain about overtime by Marvelicious (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @03:58PMRe:Hmmm; And don't complain about overtime by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @05:24PMRe:Hmmm by Pig Hogger (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @07:36PMRe:Hmmm by theglassishalf (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:18PMRe:Hmmm by instarx (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @04:05AM5 replies beneath your current threshold.Shoes by Lord Apathy (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @12:28PM I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: (Score:5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 01, @12:54PM (#9028005) Dey tuk er jebs! [ ParentRe:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by Qzukk (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @06:19PMRe:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by Nasarius (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @02:39AMRe:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by Qzukk (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @12:50PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by incom (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @07:13PMRe:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by theglassishalf (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @09:37PMRe:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by theglassishalf (Score:1)Tuesday May 04, @09:25PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I have but one thing to state, gentlemen: by westyvw (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @03:37AM3 replies beneath your current threshold. And for those who don't know (Score:5, Informative) by krets (645685) on Saturday May 01, @12:29PM (#9027821) What's it trying to say? Benedict Arnold [ushistory.org] I still don't get it. Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 01, @12:33PM (#9027853) Benedict Arnold was a traitor - he betrayed his country and his people for money. These CEOs are traitors - they are betrying their country and their people for money. Understand now? [ Parent Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Funny) by Ralph Yarro (704772) on Saturday May 01, @01:02PM (#9028072) (http://www.canopy.com/) Benedict Arnold was a traitor - he betrayed his country and his people for money. It is true that he betrayed Britain but it seems that he was looking for glory more than for money. Also, to be fair, there were a LOT of traitors in the colonies at that time including such infamous characters as George Washington, and it seems harsh to pick on Benedict Arnold in particular. Furthermore, he did later repent the treasonous acts of his youth and, an older and wiser man, he returned to the British fold, gave valuable service to the Crown and was forgiven his past. I think you're too harsh on him. [ ParentRe:And for those who don't know by Halfbaked Plan (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:51PM Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Insightful) by conradp (154683) on Saturday May 01, @05:25PM (#9029923) (http://www.stellarscience.com/) I just felt the need to point out that not all of us yanks are morons, and I for one found your post to be quite funny. And simultaneously insightful, as it skillfully points out that one group's traitor is often another group's hero. Someday these CEOs may be lauded as heroic global citizens who were able to look past the myopia of the little clumps of dirt on which they were born and provide opportunities to the underpriviledged in India, China, and other parts of the underdeveloped world. But for now, and especially during a presidential election year, they're just traitorous, greedy scumbags who are giving "our" jobs away to damn furriners. [ ParentRe:And for those who don't know by superyooser (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @09:24PMRe:And for those who don't know by Ralph Yarro (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @05:10AMRe:And for those who don't know by superyooser (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @09:59PMRe:And for those who don't know by Ralph Yarro (Score:1)Tuesday May 04, @01:34AMRe:And for those who don't know by Ralph Yarro (Score:1)Tuesday May 04, @01:39AMObligatory Simpsons Quote (Heh, Tory...) by Paulrothrock (Score:2)Friday May 07, @03:51PMRe:And for those who don't know by Ralph Yarro (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @01:34PMRe:And for those who don't know by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @01:49PMRe:And for those who don't know by 0racle (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @02:46PMRe:And for those who don't know by Free_Meson (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @03:22PMRe:And for those who don't know by Zero Sum (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @05:40AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by cluckshot (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @03:01PM Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Interesting) by gaijin99 (143693) on Saturday May 01, @04:58PM (#9029752) (Last Journal: Sunday October 03, @07:02PM) I will be most precise. The founding fathers of the United States of America were neither traitors to Britan Precise, but wrong. Treason is defined by Webster's as: Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. Sorry, but you will notice that "unless the government is being bad, then its not treason". Treason is not, by definition, a bad thing. A government may deserve to have its people commit treason against it (and I'll argue that the British citizens in North America certainly had cause for their treason). But justified treason is still treason. Most of the founders of the US government were quite content with their treason. In the prelude to the revolution Patrick Henry was ranting against the Stamp Tax and some of the conservative members of the government said that his complaints were treasonous, his reply: "If this be treason, make the most of it." So, yes, I'd say that all of the founders of our governmen were traitors to the British government. We probably need more traitors like that. [ ParentRe:And for those who don't know by Some Bitch (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @08:32AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by AndroidCat (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @05:27PMRe:And for those who don't know by jmauro (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @07:35PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by Ralph Yarro (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @04:26PMRe:And for those who don't know by wcrowe (Score:1)Monday May 03, @12:14PMRe:And for those who don't know by Ralph Yarro (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @05:12PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by krets (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @01:03PMRe:And for those who don't know by DAldredge (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @01:12PMRe:And for those who don't know by killerc (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @01:35PM Re:And for those who don't know (Score:4, Insightful) by Ralph Yarro (704772) on Saturday May 01, @01:37PM (#9028322) (http://www.canopy.com/) Capitalism doesn't know patriotism, it's purely opportunistic. 99.9% of the time patriotism is purely opportunistic too. The two go well together. [ Parent Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Insightful) by thedillybar (677116) on Saturday May 01, @01:36PM (#9028313) These CEOs are traitors - they are betrying their country and their people for money. They aren't betrying, or betraying for that matter, their country. What obligations do they have to their country? They pay their taxes, provide products and services, and the US economy would be worse off if the company didn't exist at all.They're certainly not betraying their people. By my estimation, "their people" are their stockholders. If their choices are outsource or lose to their competitors, there is no question. It's unfortunate, but what are they supposed to do?No I'm not (even close to) a CEO, and no I don't have a solution to our unemployment problems. [ Parent Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Insightful) by nomadic (141991) <nomadicworldNO@SPAMhotmail.com> on Saturday May 01, @02:03PM (#9028551) (http://go.away/ | Last Journal: Saturday February 23, @09:53AM) They aren't betrying, or betraying for that matter, their country. What obligations do they have to their country? They pay their taxes, provide products and services, and the US economy would be worse off if the company didn't exist at all.The companies were created thanks to this country, though. They succeeded thanks to the stability the US provides, the technological advances and trained graduates government-subsidized universities produce, and the American workers who actually, you know, designed and built the hardware that they sold.They're certainly not betraying their people. By my estimation, "their people" are their stockholders. If their choices are outsource or lose to their competitors, there is no question. It's unfortunate, but what are they supposed to do?It's not the only choice, that's the point. They could get rid of a lot of costs by simply reducing the ridiculously insane executive compensation--no, CEOs of corporations generally don't deserve the salaries they get, in most cases their jobs can be filled by any reasonably experienced executive. [ ParentRe:And for those who don't know by drinkypoo (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @07:36PMRe:And for those who don't know by tx_kanuck (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @07:45PMRe:And for those who don't know by dnoyeb (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @08:37PMRe:And for those who don't know by Gaijin42 (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @10:43PMRe:And for those who don't know by dnoyeb (Score:2)Thursday May 06, @09:31AMRe:And for those who don't know by Gaijin42 (Score:2)Thursday May 06, @09:47AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by blitz487 (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @11:59PMRe:And for those who don't know by js290 (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @01:21AMRe:And for those who don't know by Moofie (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @02:30AMRe:And for those who don't know by sql*kitten (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @03:06AM Re:And for those who don't know (Score:5, Insightful) by vsprintf (579676) on Saturday May 01, @02:37PM (#9028810) They're certainly not betraying their people. By my estimation, "their people" are their stockholders. An amazing number of people (especially CEOs) seem to have forgotten that *company* means a group of people, and that group includes all the employees, not just the executives and the stockholders. If their choices are outsource or lose to their competitors, there is no question. It's unfortunate, but what are they supposed to do? That is self-serving tripe put out by executives like Barrett to justify their actions. B of A started offshoring while making huge profits. Intel is in no financial straits. They are getting rid of the people who made that company a huge success and shipping their jobs overseas. I would call that "betraying their people". [ ParentRe:And for those who don't know by Asterisk (Score:1)Monday May 03, @09:43AMRe:And for those who don't know by vsprintf (Score:2)Monday May 03, @08:12PMRe:And for those who don't know by cubicledrone (Score:3)Saturday May 01, @02:42PMRe:And for those who don't know by kcbrown (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @04:40PMRe:And for those who don't know by tkrotchko (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @08:10PMRe:And for those who don't know by thedillybar (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @11:18PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by Woodie (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @11:58PMRe:And for those who don't know by sql*kitten (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @03:09AMRe:And for those who don't know by Woodie (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @11:18AMCorporate justice by Oshkoshjohn (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @07:27AM3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by magarity (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:16PMRe:And for those who don't know by cubicledrone (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @02:35PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. IEEE position (Score:5, Informative) by dslbrian (318993) on Saturday May 01, @02:22PM (#9028696) (http://slashdot.org/) For those who haven't bought into the "outsourcing is great for America" BS, check out this discussion about IEEE-USA's stance against outsourcing [washingtonpost.com]. The IEEE has also released a position paper on the topic [ieeeusa.org]. Looking at the economic side of the argument, there is also a short article about a finance professor arguing against placing blind faith in outsourcing [cnn.com] and the "externality" that companies are exploiting given the current labor and tax laws. Want to do something about it? Try using your vote. Bush and Kerry have established their position on outsourcing (Bush is for, Kerry is against). Being unemployed does not mean you lose your right to vote, so make it count. [ ParentRe:IEEE position by pete6677 (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:34PMRe:IEEE position by the_meager (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @12:52AMRe:IEEE position by PingPongBoy (Score:1)Sunday May 02, @04:14AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by himalayantraveller (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:30PMRe:And for those who don't know by Halfbaked Plan (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @02:48PMRe:And for those who don't know by cluckshot (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @03:12PM Re:And for those who don't know (Score:4, Insightful) by jmichaelg (148257) on Saturday May 01, @05:15PM (#9029849) Benedict Arnold was a traitor - he betrayed his country and his people for money. These CEOs are traitors - they are betrying their country and their people for money. So were you a traitor when you bought that Korean RAM over the homegrown variety? How about when you bought that Toyota or Honda? Were you a traitor then?The CEO's are going for the best value just like you. [ Parent3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by NemosomeN (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @12:33PMRe:And for those who don't know by Rosco P. Coltrane (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @12:45PMRe:And for those who don't know by MrMr (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @01:00PMRe:And for those who don't know by Eccles (Score:1)Saturday May 01, @01:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:And for those who don't know by Rick and Roll (Score:2)Saturday May 01, @04:31PMRe:And for those who don't know by ColaMan (Score:2)Sunday May 02, @06:16AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. "good for the economy" my ass. (Score:4, Insightful) by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net> on Saturday May 01, @12:30PM (#9027832) (http://www.grub.net/ | Last Journal: Wednesday September 07, @08:22PM) When CEOs say "good for the economy" they don't mean "good for the average Joe"they mean "good for our shareholders" It's easy for these CEOs to sit in their ivory towers and tell thepeople that various things are good for the economy, they aren't theones facing unemployment or living cheque to cheque. Whatmatters to these people is making the shareholders happy, theworkers are expendable cogs in their money-machine. Imagine,for just a moment, that Craig Barrett were to say "Intel investors, Ihave a great plan. We'll stop outsourcing and start hiringdomestically. Yeah, it'll cost more money and there will be a profithit for a while but it will keep our people working and spendingtheir paycheques domestically." Something like that is trulygood for the economy as a whole, but how long would be be CEO for? Thesecurity guards would be showing him to the door in minutes. "good for the economy" my ass.-outsourcing CEO's. (Score:5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 01, @12:34PM (#9027859) " It's easy for these CEOs to sit in their ivory towers and tell the people that various things are good for the economy, they aren't the ones facing unemployment or living cheque to cheque. What matters to these people is making the shareholders happy, the workers are expendable cogs in their money-machine." Your aim is slightly off. here let me correct. "It's all about the new BMW I'm going to buy with my golden parachute". If it was JUST about the shareholders, then CEO's would be outsourcing their jobs. [ Parent Re:"good for the economy" my ass.-outsourcing CEO' (Score:5, Insightful) by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net>