zero-one writes "Xara today announced that they are releasing an open source version of their vector drawing program, Xara Xtreme. They already have a Linux demo but source code is not available quite yet. Xara Xtreme on Linux will not only bring a leading-edge graphic tool to the platform, but with community assistance, has the potential to become the world's most powerful, easiest-to-use and simply the world's best graphics program. If they get this right it could bring the Linux desktop into whole sectors of the market that is has not been able to address before."Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='graphics,software,linux';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; Xara X to Be Released as Open Source Log in/Create an Account | Top | 182 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 182 comments 0: 174 comments 1: 123 comments 2: 91 comments 3: 27 comments 4: 17 comments 5: 11 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. Sell Adobe? (Score:5, Funny) by Nom du Keyboard (633989) on Tuesday October 11, @05:53PM (#13768906) Time to sell my Adobe stock? [ Reply to ThisRe:Sell Adobe? by xTantrum (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:23PM Exaggeration? (Score:4, Insightful) by fragmentate (908035) * on Tuesday October 11, @05:54PM (#13768912) (http://stoic.wisdomguild.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday October 09, @04:57AM) First, read this this. [slashdot.org]All tools add value to the Linux desktop, but if it's not user-friendly none of that matters. To be able to say we have the exact same tools as Windows means nothing if those tools are frustrating to use. We recently began the process of ridding ourselves of certain proprietary software (primarily Microsoft products). It's been painful because after watching a Window-savvy person struggle with Linux I began to understand why Linux hasn't really kicked-in on the desktop yet.I think the value of a single product is being overstated here. The Linux development community has to work on usability first, as well as product integration. There is a level of inconsistancy between applications that hampers Linux-desktop.When I think back to the very early versions of Linux (1.0.xx) it's come a long long way. But no single product along the way has contributed any large amount. Primarily, it has been the work of the individuals that understand that, although we don't want a duplicate of Windows, we do want something that people making the switch can more easily slide into.I am always excited when a new product is ported to Linux-desktop (simply X?). But let's keep things in perspective -- although Xara is quite "neat", it's not going to attract legions of people to Linux all of a sudden.In truth, this may all help Mac OSX more than Linux... [ Reply to ThisRe:Exaggeration? by airrage (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:03PMRe:Exaggeration? by lidocaineus (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:04PMRe:Exaggeration? by agraupe (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:28PMRe:Exaggeration? by HardCase (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:56PMexaggeration--yours by idlake (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:37PMRe:exaggeration--yours by Blakey Rat (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:28PMRe:exaggeration--yours by codemachine (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:40PMRe:exaggeration--yours by jaseparlo (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @08:49PMRe:exaggeration--yours by Dh2000 (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @09:37PMRe:exaggeration--yours by Dwonis (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @11:10PMClap! clap! clap! clap! clap!..... MOD UP ^^ by BinLadenMyHero (Score:2)Wednesday October 12, @12:04AMRe:exaggeration--yours by bshellenberg (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @09:24PMRe: Custom tool groupings by fyngyrz (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @09:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Exaggeration? by Antique Geekmeister (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @11:52PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Press Release and more info... (Score:3, Interesting) by Simarilius (665671) on Tuesday October 11, @05:54PM (#13768918) This comes hot on the heels of them sponsoring the uber converter project to the tune of $10000 to create a XAR>SVG conversion util, to increase compatability with inkscape.Press releases for both can be found athttp://www.xara.com/press/ [xara.com]uber converters at:http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/uber-converte r/ [scratchcomputing.com]inkscapes at:www.inkscape.org [ Reply to This Speechless (Score:2) by someguy456 (607900) <someguy456@phreaker.net> on Tuesday October 11, @05:56PM (#13768936) (http://someguy456.computed.net/ | Last Journal: Monday May 19, @12:59PM) Wow, this is their flagship product!I've no idea what it does, but thanks, we really appreciate it /OSS 1, M$ 0 [ Reply to This2 replies beneath your current threshold. Why? (Score:5, Insightful) by popo (107611) on Tuesday October 11, @05:56PM (#13768937) " has the potential to become the world's most powerful, easiest-to-use and simply the world's best graphics program"Why does it suddenly have this potential? Why is it suddenly the "easiest to use"? Why is it suddenly the "world's best"?I'm happy its being opensourced and ported to Linux too, but typically the process of opensourcing and linux-porting doesn't go hand in hand with making an application best-of-breed.This isn't flamebait, just a reality check. [ Reply to This Re:Why? (Score:5, Funny) by poot_rootbeer (188613) on Tuesday October 11, @06:05PM (#13769032) " has the potential to become the world's most powerful, easiest-to-use and simply the world's best graphics program"So does MS Paint, but I fully expect that potential to go unrealized. [ Reply to This | Parent Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative) by Albanach (527650) on Tuesday October 11, @06:08PM (#13769060) (http://albanach.com/) The reason it has the potential is because XaraX is already a fantastic small, fast, stable offering from a programming house that's been developing graphics apps for decades. When Xara launched their vector graphics app first for Acorn RISC OS and then on Windows, the features like transparency and speed were groundbreaking.Seriously this means an excellent program in an area underserved on linux (vector graphics) will be available source and all. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Why? by Dreffed (Score:3)Tuesday October 11, @06:59PMRe:Why? by kabz (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:28PMRe:Why? by rzebram (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:19PM Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative) by walnut_tree (905826) on Tuesday October 11, @06:41PM (#13769317) The Xara program has been around for a few years - every incarnation has had excellent magazine reviews [pcpro.co.uk]. It has a loyal base of users and one of the primary reasons is it's powerful set of features and its easy-to-use interface. They are not starting from scratch on the usability front - they already have a head start. If you have a Windows PC, the best way to see for yourself is to simply download the trial version and give it a spin. Even better, compare it to Adobe Illustrator with its plethora of floating palettes and you'll see how tired and old-fashioned the Illustrator interface feels in comparison. Of course, these are all my subjective opinions; but then, what isn't on Slashdot? :-) [ Reply to This | Parent1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Why? by supabeast! (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @07:53PMRe:Why? by Hosiah (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @08:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. I don't like this... (Score:1) by digital-madman (860873) on Tuesday October 11, @05:58PM (#13768960) Serously... I don't.I like the GIMP, and this project could take away from the GIMP. Sure, gimp has a learning curve and not the most well designed GUI. But it is working its way to photoshop'ish status.Xara has pro's and con's...A major pro would be bring desktop publishing into the linux realm, and a little away from Mac. But again.. this is more a commerical market then home market. I thought Linux should be breaking into home markets as a desktop OS.And here's a con: I don't see how this is going to do it. Joe-six pack doesn't really need vector drawing. Joe-six pack wants his digital-camera picture editing software.But kudos for getting more commerical markets interested in OSS/Linux-Digital Madman [ Reply to ThisRe:I don't like this... by someguy456 (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:00PMRe:I don't like this... by mrchaotica (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:15PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I don't like this... by fortunate_monk (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:22PMRe:I don't like this... by RatBastard (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:30PMRe:I don't like this... by Tet (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:11PM Re:I don't like this... (Score:4, Informative) by Ucklak (755284) on Tuesday October 11, @06:49PM (#13769395) This isn't a competitor to Gimp.It's more of a competitor to Inkscape.Gimp is a competitor to MSPaint, Photoshop, Corel PhotoPaint, JASC Paintshop Pro.Xara is like Acrylic, Illustrator, Inkscape and even Macromedia Flash.Flash adds a timeline with animation but it is vector based.Gimp is a raster editor. If your canvas is 640 pixels across and 480 pixels down, you have 640 pixels times 480 pixels of resolution to edit in. Scalable with software help. Quality varies with size.Xara is a vector based program. Your canvas size has no limit. 100% scalable.Artists use vector programs to 'create' in. It's what is used to create icons that we sometimes take for granted but the reality is that someone had to create it. (like fonts)Raster programs are used to edit existing content to produce a final result. Think http://www.worth1000.com/ [worth1000.com] [ Reply to This | ParentRe:I don't like this... by nidarus (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @10:40PMRe:I don't like this... by symbolic (Score:2)Wednesday October 12, @12:25AMRe:I don't like this... by Julian Morrison (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:00PMRe:I don't like this... by Julian Morrison (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @10:44PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I don't like this... by sabernet (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:34PMRe:I don't like this... by dfjunior (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @08:08PMRe:I don't like this... by RobertLTux (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @08:49PMRe:I don't like this... by unoengborg (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @08:49PMRe:I don't like this... by spitzak (Score:2)Wednesday October 12, @12:02AM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Guess what? Won't happen! (Score:4, Funny) by _undan (804517) <dan@undumb.com> on Tuesday October 11, @05:59PM (#13768965) Illustrators and designers like their shiny macs and have (generally) spent years learning the Adobe suite. Why do you think nobody gives 3 tosses about Corel?Okay, so 10/10 for style, minus several million for yet another "OMG OPENSOURCE WILL SAVE TEH WORLD SQUEE" post.And, before anyone says "But, GIMP!" - I work with ACTUAL designers. They all think it's an ugly piece of shit. [ Reply to ThisRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by digital-madman (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:04PM Re:Guess what? Won't happen! (Score:4, Interesting) by MikeFM (12491) on Tuesday October 11, @06:17PM (#13769125) (http://kavlon.org/ | Last Journal: Friday March 21, @03:10PM) On the other hand the majority of designers I know are simple minded idiots that can barely use Photoshop and Illustrator let alone anything else and all their designs look amazingly alike as they have no ability to think outside their own little box. Most designers come from a graphic arts background and have no experience in designing good interfaces or problem solving. If something wasn't taught to them in class they just can't handle it.I know a couple GOOD designers and they are intelligent enough to see that different tools are better for different things you want to do. Personally I can't stand the interfaces of Photoshop and Illustrator but will sometimes use them when I need to do something GIMP or Inkscape can't yet do. On the other hand there are things that are hard to do in Photoshop and Illustrator that are easier in GIMP and Inkscape. It comes mostly from which tools you know best and a bit from the way the tools were designed. Being able to use all the tools you have available lets you do awesome work.Even good designers sometimes have blindspots that are amusing. One of the best I know I heard the other day complaining to another designer that animated gifs always have white borders around the image. Duh. Years in school and work experience and neither knew how to get rid of the borders left over from converting an image to a gif? Of course you'd think Photoshop and Illustrator would take care of that issue automatically anyway since it's a fairly common problem. Anyway the point being that designers look at interfaces more from a stylistic point and they may miss the benefits of usability. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by Blakey Rat (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:20PMRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @07:30PMRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by Blakey Rat (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:34PMRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by MikeFM (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:46PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Guess what? Won't happen! by Muvlo Redond (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:33PMRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by kerrle (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:56PM Re:Guess what? Won't happen! (Score:4, Insightful) by Hosiah (849792) on Tuesday October 11, @08:21PM (#13770051) (http://wallpaperfree.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday September 17, @03:16AM) have (generally) spent years learning the Adobe suite. I work with ACTUAL designers. They all think it's an ugly piece of shit.I *AM* an actual designer, and it never fails to amaze me how people will comfortably devote "years" to learning proprietary software that costs $485.00 http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Adobe_Photoshop_7_0/4 014-3633_16-8918085.html [com.com] , but cannot be bothered to investigate the menus in Gimp for five minutes for free to discover all the features they claim Gimp is missing. But, uh, oh, yeah, *sure*, you guys are ALL THAT! [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by GeorgeMcBay (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @10:16PMRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by NamShubCMX (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @11:15PMRe:Guess what? Won't happen! by KayosIII (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @08:33PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Glasgow Best bet for Linux Raster graphics (Score:2) by temojen (678985) on Tuesday October 11, @06:03PM (#13769006) (Last Journal: Friday October 07, @05:23PM) With support for 16bit/channel images and colour management, Glasgow (a branch of CinePaint) is shaping up to be a real contender in the Raster Graphics editing space. Some concerns though: The documentation for cinepaint really really really sucks The CinePaint/Glasgow developers seem to be under the impression that ALL of their users are in the motion picture industry, not still photographers). Consequntly, (as of CP 0.18) they've left out handy stuff like cropping and sizing the images in physical units (not resampling). Why this article summary seems to imply that Vector graphics is the only market, I don't know. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. FreeBSD version? (Score:1) by vivekg (795441) on Tuesday October 11, @06:04PM (#13769020) (http://www.cyberciti.biz/ | Last Journal: Saturday July 23, @02:51PM) From this page http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/default.asp?t= [xara.com] it looks like it will work on FreeBSD desktop too.. but I'm not sure! [ Reply to This2 replies beneath your current threshold. a friend of mine swears by Xara X (Score:5, Interesting) by xutopia (469129) on Tuesday October 11, @06:05PM (#13769031) (http://www.xutopia.com/) He drew up a map in it in about 5 minutes. It reminds me of Cool Edit Pro except it's for drawing instead of sound. Before you master it, it seems like nothing big but once you start knowing how to get the power from it you can not go back to another tool. [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. It is a little bit strange... (Score:2) by Pecisk (688001) on Tuesday October 11, @06:06PM (#13769035) That annoucement reads like total marketing crap. I know Xara, their products are quite popular, but I would not claim so loud such goals. And by the way, we have tools which are user friendly and I'm used to :)But ignoring that, I just can say - welcome! For example, open sourcing for Blender was really best way to go. Propably for Xara Xtreme too. [ Reply to ThisRe:It is a little bit strange... by Rac3r5 (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:51PMRe:It is a little bit strange... by arose (Score:3)Tuesday October 11, @07:08PM If they do it under the GPL (Score:5, Informative) by narrowhouse (1949) on Tuesday October 11, @06:07PM (#13769050) (http://slashdot.org/) They specifically mention the GPL here:http://www.xaraxtreme.org/news/11-10-05.html [xaraxtreme.org] This will be huge news, sodipodi and inkscape could use their algorithms for new functions. Abiword could support their file formats. The Gimp could build compatibilty in easily. Bravo Xara, I will be the first one to mail a check when I know this is really going to happen. I just hope this doesn't go down like the GOBE Productive announcement a few years back. [ Reply to ThisRe:If they do it under the GPL by ettlz (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:13PMRe:If they do it under the GPL by nihilogos (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @09:39PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:If they do it under the GPL (Score:4, Interesting) by justsomebody (525308) on Tuesday October 11, @06:17PM (#13769131) (Last Journal: Thursday January 15, @07:55PM) I was having the same opinion until I read mailing list on Inkscape about this. Talk about one sided canibailzing without prejudice (would take theirs, but hell no, they won't resell mine).http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?threa d_id=8520852&forum_id=36054 [sourceforge.net]p.s. Last comment (or it was last at the time I read was probably the only inteligent comment, about shared LGPL libraries) [ Reply to This | ParentRe:If they do it under the GPL by Pecisk (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:49PMRe:If they do it under the GPL by t35t0r (Score:3)Tuesday October 11, @07:14PMRe:If they do it under the GPL by MenTaLguY (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:54PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:If they do it under the GPL by dancpsu (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @08:06PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Bah Humbug (Score:1, Insightful) by jmorris42 (1458) * <jmorris@beau.org> on Tuesday October 11, @06:08PM (#13769057) (http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/) Ok, so some old hoary ACORN codebase that got ported to Windows years ago and apparently never developed a large userbase is going GPL because they realized they were fscked and never were going to achieve a breakout in today's rapidly consolidating Windows 3rd party app marketplace. So if folks would just stop working on Inkscape long enough to help us port this crufy old code from Win32 to whatever toolkit we eventually decide on it will just rule, trust us! But please don't build a Windows binary because we want to keep on doing our shareware thing over on that platform.Sorry, this would have been news five years ago, but we have all seen this story play out enough times now to not be interested. They could at least have held off on the press release until they had a believable start on a port, i.e. a tree that builds and at least does something on X. [ Reply to ThisRe:Bah Humbug by narrowhouse (Score:3)Tuesday October 11, @06:22PMRe:Bah Humbug by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:56PMRe:Bah Humbug by jmorris42 (Score:2)Wednesday October 12, @12:19AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Open Source but how much? (Score:1) by keithamus (753826) on Tuesday October 11, @06:14PM (#13769107) (http://www.opposingsimplicity.co.uk/) Call me stupid, but I dont often assume things unless someone specifically states it.Now they said they were to Open Source the product, sure great, but will we need to compile it? Will we need to pay? Will the Windows version be OSS? If the Linux and Mac version are free, will the Windows one be? None of this was mentioned from what I read and understood. [ Reply to ThisRe:Open Source but how much? by zero-one (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:24PMRe:Open Source but how much? by narrowhouse (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:27PMRe:Open Source but how much? by Nimrangul (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:39PM I am one very happy Xara Ltd. customer. (Score:2) by isolationism (782170) on Tuesday October 11, @06:17PM (#13769128) Well, can't say I'm sad to hear it -- I emailed the folks at Xara Ltd. almost a year ago to ask if they intended to port their product to Linux to help ease my transition in that regard (having bought versions of their software since 1.0). Their move to open source is a bit of a shock (I would have been happy with a Linux binary ported using Wine), but it's all good -- better than I could have hoped for. Hopefully some collaboration/cross-semination will occur between the Xara folks and the Inkscape guys, who are also making leaps and bounds and deserve mention here for their amazing progress and excellent work.Congrats to Xara for your bold new direction, if anyone from the company is reading. Rest assured that I'll keep slinging my business your way -- especially considering how you responded very well to my (and presumably other) inquiries. You've also just secured more years of business out of me, assuming porting to other platforms will now become significantly easier. Cheers. [ Reply to This Artworks (Score:5, Interesting) by chiller2 (35804) on Tuesday October 11, @06:19PM (#13769143) (http://www.kelv.net/) Grr! All of these great things have come from one place, namely the Acorn computing market who could have had it all and blew it. Xara is simply the PC port of ArtWorks [cconcepts.co.uk] for RISCOS [wikipedia.org]. Now Xara is set for potential greatness. Just like when Acorn spawned ARM Ltd, and now ARM cpu's are everywhere. Where are Acorn?Boo hiss and all that. [ Reply to ThisRe:Artworks by Sinner (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @10:04PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Source (Score:1) by sn0wflake (592745) on Tuesday October 11, @06:20PM (#13769150) (http://home20.inet.tele.dk/sn0wflake/ | Last Journal: Monday August 16, @06:13AM) They already have a Linux demo but source code is not available quite yet.They don't have it/can't find it/just demoing? [ Reply to ThisRe:Source by leaping_laughter (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:48PMRe:Source by arose (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:25PM What does this really give us? (Score:2, Troll) by rknop (240417) on Tuesday October 11, @06:20PM (#13769151) (http://www.pobox.com/~rknop) I ask the question not as a rhetorical question, but because I really want to know.What does Xara do that OpenOffice.org Draw does not? (Indeed, I still use XFig sometimes even though OOo Draw generally does more, because XFig does one or two things better than OOo Draw.)I'll tell you the feature I really want: full postscript import, *with* embedded images. I an get pretty far now with ps2fig followed by whatever the heck the name of the program that converts XFig to OOo Draw, but I lose any embedded images in the eps file in so doing.A secondary feature would be eps as "picture" objects *with* preview. OOo does eps as picture objects, but doesn't give you a preveiw unless the eps file itself has an embedded preview.But are there other things one would find in Xara that OOo Draw doesn't do? [ Reply to ThisRe:What does this really give us? by IdntUnknwn (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @06:57PMRe:What does this really give us? by t35t0r (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:16PM Great News For Me and Hopefully You Too (Score:3, Interesting) by jodo (209027) on Tuesday October 11, @06:23PM (#13769179) I have used xara for years. I maintain an old windows machine just for xara. It is an outstanding drawing and for me a one page or smaller layout program. Great for print ads and web graphics work.It does not compete with The Gimp.The windows version is very easy to use. Hope the linux version uses the same interfaces.Woohoo!!! Gets me excited about linux again. [ Reply to This take a look at this video (Score:2) by t35t0r (751958) on Tuesday October 11, @06:25PM (#13769188) Take a look at this video. It shows off some of Xara Xtreme's capabilities. I am quite impressed and can't wait until the full Linux version is released! It can use photoshop plugins too!! [ Reply to ThisRe:take a look at this video by t35t0r (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @06:32PMRe:take a look at this video by arose (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:30PM Really F*cking good (Score:5, Informative) by WasterDave (20047) <{davep} {at} {zedkep.com}> on Tuesday October 11, @06:31PM (#13769233) All I see is bitching, whining and moaning from a people who've never used it. My SO uses Xara X damn near constantly and loves it. She was up the learning curve like a mountain goat. There's good documentation, the /real/ thing ships with a CD full of video tutorials, a whole bunch of things work like they ought to - so much so that since we're so accustomed to things not working properly you initially discount the possibility of whatever you're trying to do actually working.And it's FAST! Xara was initially written in the mid 90's and the system specs included "pentium processor recommended" so it goes without saying that it goes like a rocket on modern hardware. We're running it on a P3-933 and, just, whoosh.This is a good piece of kit. Probably the best thing I can advise is finding a windows box and playing with the downloadable demo. Be happy. Get involved in porting it. Fuck Adobe.Dave [ Reply to ThisRe:Really F*cking good by Blakey Rat (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:22PMRe:Really F*cking good by dancpsu (Score:2)Tuesday October 11, @07:59PMRe:Really F*cking good by gomoX (Score:1)Wednesday October 12, @12:28AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Really F*cking good by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Tuesday October 11, @07:34PMRe:Really F*cking good by danharan (Score:3)Tuesday October 11, @08:26PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply