An anonymous reader writes " Corante'sCopyfight has apiece up about this new column in the Financial Times by James Boyle celebrating (a few days on theearly side) the 15thanniversary ofBerners-Lee's firstdraft of a web page . The hook is this question: What would happen if the Web wereinvented today? From the article: 'What would a web designed by the WorldIntellectual Property Organisation or the Disney Corporation havelooked like? It would have looked more like pay-television, orMinitel, the French computer network. Beforehand, the logic ofcontrol always makes sense. Allow anyone to connect to the network?Anyone to decide what content to put up? That is a recipe for piracyand pornography. And of course it is. But it is also much, muchmore...The lawyers have learnt their lesson now...When the nextdisruptive communications technology - the next worldwide web -is thought up, the lawyers and the logic of control will be much moreevident. That is not a happy thought.'" Could the Web Not be Invented Today? Log in/Create an Account | Top | 254 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 254 comments 0: 253 comments 1: 205 comments 2: 131 comments 3: 36 comments 4: 21 comments 5: 13 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. (1) | 2 First thing we must do... (Score:5, Funny) by Archeopteryx (4648) <.benburch. .at. .pobox.com.> on Saturday November 05, @01:44AM (#13956361) (http://www.whiterosesociety.org/) ...we must kill ALL the lawyers. [ Reply to This Re:First thing we must do... (Score:4, Insightful) by flannelboy (344272) on Saturday November 05, @01:59AM (#13956403) (http://mattsbruce.blogspot.com/) I think we are overstating Lawyer's ability to figure out what the next "big thing" will actually be. They are usually late to the game, and only in a position to post-sue, rather than preventitive sue.I think (may be mis stating this) Napster was around for at least a year before the lawyers made their way into court. Of course, that just proves that "better late than never" is also on the lawyers play card.Lets hope they don't shut down the current web as we know it! [ Reply to This | ParentRe:First thing we must do... by TetryonX (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @02:38AMRe:First thing we must do... by MoonFog (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @07:09AMRe:First thing we must do... by TetryonX (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:35PMRe:First thing we must do... by Ryosen (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @11:01PMStop giving them ideas. by Pichu0102 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:14AMRe:Stop giving them ideas. by Punboy (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:02AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Re:First thing we must do... (Score:5, Funny) by dourk (60585) on Saturday November 05, @02:17AM (#13956451) (http://www.jungblut.net/) IANAL.Thank god. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:First thing we must do... by Loonacy (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @04:00AMRe:First thing we must do... by rjshields (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @05:58AMRe:First thing we must do... by smoker2 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @06:16AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:First thing we must do... by cpt kangarooski (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:48AM All in jest I know... (Score:4, Insightful) by Infonaut (96956) <infonaut@gmail.com> on Saturday November 05, @03:01AM (#13956556) (http://slashdot.org/~Infonaut/journal | Last Journal: Friday November 04, @01:15PM) ... but lawyers represent the rule of law. If you've ever been in a country that doesn't have lawyers, you understand the humor in that "Oh, I think we want to keep these proceedings as pleasant as possible" comment from Pleasantville [wikipedia.org]. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:All in jest I know... by rtb61 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @08:21AMRe:All in jest I know... by mrgreen4242 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @11:34AMRe:All in jest I know... by bzipitidoo (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:35AMRe:All in jest I know... by zCyl (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @11:51AMRe:All in jest I know... by Fnkmaster (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:11PMstraw man by Infonaut (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @12:17PMRe:First thing we must do... by whereiswaldo (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:09AMRe:First thing we must do... by afd8856 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @08:45AMRe:First thing we must do... by bloodpet (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @10:33AMRe:First thing we must do... by Shimbo (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @10:48AMRe:First thing we must do... by Valacosa (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @10:07PM Re:First thing we must do... (Score:5, Insightful) by Dashing Leech (688077) on Saturday November 05, @09:14AM (#13957265) "Computer language - something with very clear syntax rules - is the way to go.I seriously hope you are joking. There's a bunch of problems with that idea that are immediately obvious. First, the main problem is that there is no hard line "right" and "wrong" in most cases. Whys is it safe to go 64.9 mph but 65.1 mph is unsafe? That's unreasonable. However, the law has to say something because going way to fast is definitely dangerous. The "reasonableness" is often part of the law. The only way to program that is with some sort of fuzzy logic.Second, related to the first, is that the problem with the ambiguity of the law now is that it is, in fact, being written like computer syntax. Since there are few absolutes, all sorts of exceptions (if ... then) and variability ("reasonable") have to be built in. Ambiguities tend to be these cases. "Don't kill" is easy. Except self-defense. Except defense of a third person. If you are insane, different punishment. How abonormal do you have to be to be insane? Who judges? And so forth. That is exactly why laws are unreadable, because they try to fill loopholes and cover all cases like a computer program needs to do.Third, how they hell are people supposed to understand what the law says? People speak in English, they don't speak computer languages. Programmers might be able to reverse engineer it, so then the programmers would effectively become the lawyers, which in follow the second problem above, is exactly the case now. Lawyers reverse engineer the language of the law to see what it says.In short, computer-like syntax is the problem here already. Unfortunately, since all situations are essentially different, and there are few absolute rights and wrongs, there is no real solution that works well. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:First thing we must do... by driddint (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @05:42PMRe:First thing we must do... by Mattintosh (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:48PM Oh! The irony! (Score:5, Funny) by Mr.Progressive (812475) on Saturday November 05, @03:39AM (#13956626) After killing all lawyers, you're going to need a hell of a legal team... [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Oh! The irony! by TheRaven64 (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @08:59AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:First thing we must do... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @04:09AMRe:First thing we must do... by Foobar of Borg (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @01:51PMRe:First thing we must do... by Reality Master 101 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:06PM Re:First thing we must do... (Score:4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 05, @04:54AM (#13956763) Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment? That parchment, being scribbl'd o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings; but I say 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since. [ Reply to This | Parent Excellent!!! (Score:4, Interesting) by Archeopteryx (4648) <.benburch. .at. .pobox.com.> on Saturday November 05, @08:49AM (#13957198) (http://www.whiterosesociety.org/) You are the ONLY one to have gotten the reference; Shakespeare's "Henry VI, Part Two"From act four;God save your majesty! CADEI thank you, good people: there shall be no money;all shall eat and drink on my score; and I willapparel them all in one livery, that they may agreelike brothers and worship me their lord. DICKThe first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. CADENay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentablething, that of the skin of an innocent lamb shouldbe made parchment? that parchment, being scribbledo'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but sealonce to a thing, and I was never mine own mansince. How now! who's there? [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Excellent!!! by WinterSolstice (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @01:05PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:First thing we must do... by anthropomorphized (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @08:33AMRe:First thing we must do... by heinousjay (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @10:25AMconflict of interest by zogger (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @11:28AMRe:conflict of interest by cpt kangarooski (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:26PMRe:conflict of interest by zogger (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @07:53PMRe:conflict of interest by cpt kangarooski (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @09:04PMRe:First thing we must do... by Zbzq (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:45PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.I just thought by krajo (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @01:46AM Thanks Tim! (Score:4, Interesting) by DDiabolical (902284) on Saturday November 05, @01:48AM (#13956373) It's completely down to Tim Berners Lee that the internet is a free and open as it currently is. Preceding the Linux or the GNU, he was a real hacker creating something that he couldn't have known would change the world. He did it without profit in mind and as such it's been allowed to flourish.Sure, the military may have created the fundamentals, but Tim was the first to put them to good use :P [ Reply to ThisRe:Thanks Tim! by B3ryllium (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:04AM Re:Thanks Tim! (Score:5, Insightful) by sleeper0 (319432) on Saturday November 05, @02:12AM (#13956437) Tim did a good thing for sure, but it was hardly unusual for things for the internet to be written without profit in mind - it would have been crazy at the time to think there was any money to be made there outside of services. And you might want to check your timeline, tons of people were using GNU software back when USENET, UUCP and 56k leased lines ruled the day. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Thanks Tim! by Max von H. (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:56AMRe:Thanks Tim! by sleeper0 (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @04:13AMRe:Thanks Tim! by Fred_A (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @05:40AMRe:Thanks Tim! by Max von H. (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:04AMRe:Thanks Tim! by Fred_A (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:48PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Thanks Tim! by Hymer (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @04:58AMRe:Thanks Tim! by shish (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @08:06AMRe:Thanks Tim! by sj_walton (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:28AMRe:Thanks Tim! by Dolda2000 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:19PMRe:Thanks Tim! by DDiabolical (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:33AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold.Well... by lancelott (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @01:48AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. (Score:5, Insightful) by tonywong (96839) on Saturday November 05, @01:50AM (#13956377) Just remember that networking was not a new phenomenom before the web.We had Compuserve, Prodigy, Bix, eWorld, and probably a dozen other big ones that I can't recall. All of them got steam rolled by the internet because it was so 'disruptive'. One of the properties of being disruptive means upheaval and loss of a certain amount of control.Perhaps google will introduce the next phase of communications through wireless gateways that are free, and put cell phone providers in the category of technological has beens...who really knows what will work and what will fail until it is done? [ Reply to This Re:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. (Score:5, Informative) by sleeper0 (319432) on Saturday November 05, @02:02AM (#13956410) Agreed. Why on earth wouldn't http and html be invented today? Only because possibly the niche is already filled. Does a would be inventor have to run their protocol by the property lawyers or disney before it gets popular now? Someone should inform Bram Cohen. I'm pretty sure the printing press, telegraph, radio, television, telephones and more were all disruptive technologies for some reason or another in their day. Thinking we've hit some kind of wall isn't looking very hard at the issue. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Did you even read TFA? You missed the point! by sleeper0 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @10:58PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by ankarbass (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:07AM Re:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. (Score:4, Interesting) by JWSmythe (446288) * on Saturday November 05, @02:12AM (#13956436) (http://freeinternetpress.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday September 25, @03:41AM) I had BBS's, and FidoNet (along with a few more obscure ones).    We had fairly established, while unregulated networks. I won't say communication was fast, but it was there. I don't really need to review the wonderful capabilities of BBS's. Probably 25% of the folks who read here were users when BBS's were big.    Could the internet be reinvented? Sure. But, like any large platform, it started small. The next Intranet is being built by a half dozen teenage kids in their darkend bedrooms around the world. It isn't anything now, but will be the biggest thing the world has seen. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by irc.goatse.cx troll (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @03:45AMRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by Jerf (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @01:31PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by utexaspunk (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:45AMRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @09:25AMRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by sleeper0 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @10:37AMRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by hereticmessiah (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @08:11PMRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by sleeper0 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @08:33PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by AmberBlackCat (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @06:36AMRe:Disruptive technologies can't be controlled. by jacoplane (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:18PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Remember by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @01:53AMRe:Remember by DCstewieG (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:00AMRe:Remember by sterno (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @03:12AMAn idea by colmore (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @01:53AMSolution?! by susano_otter (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:37AM Re:Solution?! (Score:4, Informative) by Cally (10873) on Saturday November 05, @03:10AM (#13956574) (http://www.vanitydomainsarelikeso20thcentury.org/) Example: there are armed anarchist revolutions going on in Iraq and France right now todayNo, there aren't. Go and read up on the real anarchist revolutions that happened in Barcelona in the late 30s. George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" would be a good start. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Solution?! by ucblockhead (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Solution?! by ozmanjusri (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:16AMActually, by Ivan Matveitch (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @04:41AMRe:Actually, by Lucractius (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:44AMFair enough. by Ivan Matveitch (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @08:57PMRe:Fair enough. by Lucractius (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @09:50PMNo problem. by Ivan Matveitch (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @11:19PMRe:Actually, by susano_otter (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @12:51PMI'm setting no rule. by Ivan Matveitch (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @08:46PMRevolution in France? by frp001 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @05:01AMRe:Revolution in France? by susano_otter (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:48PMAnarchist revolutions? Hardly. by acb (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @10:01PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:An idea by JustOK (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @06:24AMRe:An idea by DerProfi (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @10:31AMRe:An idea by name773 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @12:40PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.What would happen if the Web were invented today? by E IS mC(Square) (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @01:54AMThe internet routes around... by georgewilliamherbert (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @01:54AM It's an impossible scenario (Score:5, Insightful) by ReformedExCon (897248) <reformed.excon@gmail.com> on Saturday November 05, @01:54AM (#13956391) First, if there were no internet and someone were to "invent" it today, it would be very similar to the Internet that was created years ago. It wouldn't have much content aside from a few indexes and maybe some scientific or technical content.If the internet were created today, none of us would be online. We'd still be doing all the tedious tasks like making phone calls to clients and friends, and using hardbound encyclopedias and journals to find information. Newspapers would be making a ton of money selling ad space and subscriptions. Television would probably have a lot more content related to the writers' and producers' interests rather than based on viewer feedback.In short, if the Internet were invented today, it would not have reached us mere mortals yet. And there is no reason to think that an Internet created in 2005 would be significantly different or more advanced than the Internet created in 1974.The Internet itself has changed the rules of intellectual property. Without it, the media conglomerates would not be in the tizzy that they currently are in. It is precisely because of the ease of broadcast that the Internet gives us that we have media content creators trying to find ways to use the law to restrict users. In very real terms, the Internet that we are talking about here is the one created 1999 by Shawn Fanning. Until the arrival of Napster, Internet piracy was a drop in the bucket. Now it is one of the most often used features of the Internet, and it is because of that initial software that media companies sat up and took notice of all the copyrighted bits being transmitted right under their noses. [ Reply to ThisRe:It's an impossible scenario by weavermatic (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:13AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by Jshadias (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:18AM Re:It's an impossible scenario (Score:5, Insightful) by susano_otter (123650) on Saturday November 05, @02:45AM (#13956515) (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday February 18, @08:51PM) Oh, very differently of course. But at that point the article becomes so orthogonal to reality as to be completely meaningless and inane.I mean, the article is asking you to consider how a massively disruptive new communications technology would be developed, if we understood its implications in advance. The very first thing to become obvious when you consider this is that one of the fundamental principles of disruptive developments is that we do not and cannot understand them in advance.Might as well write an article asking us to consider what sex would be like if we started out by having the orgasm, and then moved on to intimate touching. Easy enough to consider, but so far removed from reality as to be an exercise whose brevity was exceeded only by its pointlessness. Kind of like the exercise being proposed here. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:It's an impossible scenario by waferhead (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @03:06AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by gunpowda (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @10:11AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by bersl2 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:19AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by JimB (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:25AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by rollingcalf (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:33AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by king-manic (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:57AMWhat I'm hearing you say is... by greenguy (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:56AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by thej1nx (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:59AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by Fred_A (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @05:45AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by heinousjay (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @10:32AMRe:It's an impossible scenario by openfrog (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @08:40AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.What!? by SwedeGeek (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @01:55AM Re:What!? (Score:5, Funny) by Simon Garlick (104721) on Saturday November 05, @02:42AM (#13956506) I just wish the rest of the world would show some goddamn RESPECT for the fact that fifteen years ago Tim Berners-Lee, AN AMERICAN, invented the Web while working at CERN, you guessed it, IN AMERICA. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:What!? by thej1nx (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:18AMRe:What!? by WilliamSChips (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @11:51AMRe:What!? by bobbyjay (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:43AMRe:What!? by Stormwatch (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:02AMRe:What!? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @06:21AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:What!? by Nimloth (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @08:55AMRe:What!? by belmolis (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @12:47PMRe:What!? by Jesus_666 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @09:00AMRe:What!? by rachit (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @04:55AMRe:What!? by Bake (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:11PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:What!? by Stormwatch (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @06:04AM4 replies beneath your current threshold.Somebody doesn't get it by lheal (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @01:57AMCausality by miyako (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:04AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Google's parallel internet by danonb (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:06AMRe:Google's parallel internet by ankarbass (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:19AMreply by Recky (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:06AMCould the Web not be invented today. by JimB (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:09AMWhen the next disruptive communications technology by loggia (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:13AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.This is the most ridiculous "theory" I have heard by karmaflux (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @02:13AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Without the internet by Cutting_Crew (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:13AMRe:Without the internet by thej1nx (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:01AMIt's time to look forward, not back. by jrpessimist (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:22AMNyet by dedazo (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:30AMToo Late To Stop Mentifex Open-Source Seed AI by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:33AMHave to disagree with the write-up. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:35AMAbandon Hope? Not Just Yet by CornfedPig (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @02:36AMWell, by ifishfortorque (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:40AMBull crap, new technology wouldn't matter. by ageoffri (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:42AMLawyers are, in general, the most immoral. by Futurepower(R) (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:43AM You have to take the bad with the good (Score:5, Funny) by dadioflex (854298) on Saturday November 05, @02:47AM (#13956517) Sure there's porn and piracy on the Web but there's probably a downside too. [ Reply to ThisRe:You have to take the bad with the good by nautical9 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @05:03AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Pay television by Ashtead (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @02:50AMRemember by Crouty (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @02:50AMToday by titla1k (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @02:54AMElectricity by Dracos (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @03:02AM"We the institutions" by Baldrson (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @03:04AMParent is karma troll by 2008 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @05:44PM It would easily be invented today (Score:5, Insightful) by Jason1729 (561790) on Saturday November 05, @03:07AM (#13956566) Tim Berners-Lee was working at CERN in Switzerland when he invented the web. There would be absolutely no problem inventing it there today. Perhaps it would have been much slower to penetrate the US market, but that would not mean it couldn't exist basically as it does now. There have been recent articles here about how the US is slipping into a technical dark age. This is just one more example of how that's true. [ Reply to ThisRe:It would easily be invented today by gilesjuk (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @08:43AMI doubt libraries could be invented now by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:12AMMinitel.. a computer network ... by Seb C. (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:13AMBulletin Boards and CompuServ by catwh0re (Score:3) Saturday November 05, @03:23AMBBS's had global electronic messages too.. by WoTG (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:39AMYes: Disruptive Technology by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:24AMGopher by Botia (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:28AMOne fun point by renoX (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:36AMBlah, the egg believes the chicken could exist by ulbador (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @03:48AMActually a Very Happy Thought by logicnazi (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @03:56AMThis is why by CiXeL (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @07:11AMRe:This is why by Alderin1 (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @01:55PMThink of the 19th centrury by jsimon12 (Score:2) Saturday November 05, @04:15AMInternet... by Hymer (Score:1) Saturday November 05, @04:37AM Minitel (Score:5, Informative) by Anne Honime (828246) on Saturday November 05, @04:43AM (#13956748)