djdoubles writes "Apparently Verizon Wireless has put firmware with crippled Bluetooth features in the new Motorola v710 phone. A lot of people have been anticipating a Bluetooth phone from Verizon, only to be disappointed by lack of OBEX. Verizon says they have no plan to add OBEX because it doesn't fit their business model--greedy bastards. PC Magazine doesn't have very nice things to say either. More discussion here." This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted. Verizon Crippled Bluetooth Features in Motorola V710 Log in/Create an Account | Top | 366 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 366 comments 0: 356 comments 1: 313 comments 2: 221 comments 3: 47 comments 4: 27 comments 5: 14 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. As a Verizon customer (Score:5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02, @03:00PM (#10141899) I recognize the fact that if Verizon tells me I don't need something, then I don't need it.Re:As a Verizon customer by nycmaddog (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:21PM Re:As a Verizon customer (Score:4, Interesting) by PowerBook2k (312576) <macprince.mac@com> on Thursday September 02, @03:45PM (#10142388) Here's what you do- call 611 on your T-Mobile phone, get to customer care rep., and ask to open a trouble ticket for bad coverage. They'll ask for the address where the trouble spot is and a brief description of the situation (inside vs outside, number of bars, etc.). They'll send out a crew to the towers around that address and you'll get text message and call updates about the progress, including when they intend to put new towers in, etc. Best policy of any cell provider I've seen. (Standard disclaimer applies- don't work for them, just a happy customer) [ ParentRe:As a Verizon customer by Onan (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @10:37PMRe:As a Verizon customer by nial-in-a-box (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:54PMRe:As a Verizon customer by PowerBook2k (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @08:07PMRe:As a Verizon customer by nial-in-a-box (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @11:16PMRe:As a Verizon customer by flyinbutrs (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:44PMRe:As a Verizon customer by Kevin Mitnick (Score:1)Friday September 03, @01:19AMRe:As a Verizon customer by flyinbutrs (Score:2)Friday September 03, @09:17AM Re:As a Verizon customer (Score:4, Funny) by cyclist1200 (513080) on Friday September 03, @11:27AM (#10149437) (http://www.burroway.net/) There's been a rash of that happening. I think there's going to be a sarcasm detector recall in early November. [ ParentRe:As a Verizon customer by Goth Biker Babe (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:40PMRe:As a Verizon customer by flyinbutrs (Score:1)Monday September 06, @04:19PMRe:As a Verizon customer by flyinbutrs (Score:1)Friday September 03, @09:15AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:As a Verizon customer by SphericalCrusher (Score:2)Monday September 06, @01:56AMRe:As a Verizon customer by muckdog (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:44PM3 replies beneath your current threshold. What are you complaining about again? (Score:4, Insightful) by stecoop (759508) * on Thursday September 02, @03:00PM (#10141900) (Last Journal: Monday March 21, @04:37PM) Would you rather get shoot with by the BlueSniper with a virus-outy BlueSnarf [slashdot.org] dart? And we wonder why Ericsson [slashdot.org] is moving on to other projects - highlighted from the greedy bass-turd article ...so wireless carriers can charge people... Gotta get paid ya know.And if you really want a blue tooth phone there is a nifty niche and free capitalist market called eBay. Re:What are you complaining about again? (Score:5, Insightful) by BoldAC (735721) on Thursday September 02, @03:03PM (#10141938) (http://www.tech-recipes.com/) But Verizon disabled the phone's Bluetooth file-transfer function, so you can't wirelessly transfer photos to your PC without using the carrier's for-pay Pix Messaging service Yeah, they are doing it for security reasons... yeah, right. As the quote above shows, it's all about the dollars, baby. [ Parent Re:What are you complaining about again? (Score:4, Insightful) by Davak (526912) on Thursday September 02, @03:09PM (#10142006) (http://www.carotids.com/) Sadly, the system works. Charging per minute instead of a flat rate -- that makes them more money.Making it difficult for people to trade ringtones -- that makes them more money.Charging to send little alphanumeric messages -- that makes them more money. and... Charging to send pictures through a server instead of directly -- that makes them more money. It's cheap money now as the pictures are small. But when the camera resolution increases or when the phone/cameras can create audio/video, the time required to be online is going to greatly, greatly increase. The world of cheap hardware and expensive services just increases and increases... [ ParentRe:What are you complaining about again? by oDDmON oUT (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @05:35PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:What are you complaining about again? by GoodNicsTken (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @10:34PMRe:What are you complaining about again? by tomhudson (Score:2)Monday September 06, @11:42AMRe:What are you complaining about again? by Shakrai (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:42PMWill they actually activate it? by tepples (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:04PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by Kenja (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:30PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by Pantheraleo2k3 (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @04:49PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by Chanc_Gorkon (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @05:23PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by Yakko (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @07:37PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by rnash (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:50PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by Miguelito (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:04PMRe:Will they actually activate it? by waynelorentz (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:04PMRe:What are you complaining about again? by willCode4Beer.com (Score:1)Friday September 03, @08:37AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. It's now safe to turn off your computer. (Score:4, Insightful) by Doc Ruby (173196) on Thursday September 02, @03:10PM (#10142011) (http://slashdot.org/~Doc%20Ruby/journal | Last Journal: Thursday March 31, @02:48PM) What are *you* complaining about? In fact, *how* are you complaining, by using Slashdot? Don't you know that the Internet can give you a virus? Throw away the computer, and never worry about viruses again. Same goes for dating... The Ericsson is moving on from *inventing* Bluetooth, to capitalizing on its innovations through mere marketing. That's how tech capitalism works. And since you won't be using eBay anymore, to avoid getting scammed, you might not be interested in learning that Bluetooth phones need a telco carrier, like Verizon. Boy, are you lucky you won't have to make any hard choices anymore. [ ParentRe:It's now safe to turn off your computer. by Doppler00 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @11:05PMRe:It's now safe to turn off your computer. by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Friday September 03, @03:04AMRe:It's now safe to turn off your computer. by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:55PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:What are you complaining about again? by lidocaineus (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:34PMSync is a bigger deal than pix by awtbfb (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:57PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Verizon is developer-unfriendly (Score:5, Interesting) by n2rjt (88804) on Thursday September 02, @03:01PM (#10141912) (Last Journal: Saturday February 19, @12:50AM) They do everything possible to keep people from downloading apps, tones, etc directly to the phone. No J2ME on any Verizon phone, as far as I can tell.Better to use T-Mobile or Cingular in the US.Re:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Nos. (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:07PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by cmowire (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:17PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by akajerry (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:34PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by _damnit_ (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:37PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by cmowire (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:04PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by crucini (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @08:36PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by _damnit_ (Score:2)Friday September 10, @12:53PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Thrakkerzog (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:17PM Re:Verizon is developer-unfriendly (Score:5, Insightful) by Pii (1955) <jedi@lightsabe3.14159r.org minus pi> on Thursday September 02, @03:36PM (#10142297) (http://www.drownedattheriver.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday March 19, @02:57AM) This only makes sense if you are making money selling the hardware...US Wireless Tecos don't make any money on selling the phones themselves... They lose money.All of their cash comes on the back end, through service agreements, long term committments, overage changes, and add-on services with their accompanied charges.It doesn't make business sense for Verizon to let you transfer pictures for free, when they could instead charge you for on-air minutes.Don't worry... Capitalism has a mechanism to protect you, the consumer. It's called choice. Use another provider, but there are trade-offs. Cingular or TMobile may has cooler phones, with better features, but their coverage areas are far weaker that Verizon's.You need to decide up front what you need out of the service... The ability to make phone calls anytime, anyplace, or a cool techno toy that can send pictures to all your pals? [ ParentRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Minwee (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:18PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by SirAnodos (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:47PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by cayenne8 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:57PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Music To Eat (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @08:25PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by anothy (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:59PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Snaapy (Score:1)Friday September 03, @06:18AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by dasmegabyte (Score:2)Friday September 03, @02:02PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by smithmc (Score:2)Monday September 06, @04:16AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Anonymous Coward (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:09PM Re:Verizon is developer-unfriendly (Score:4, Informative) by kidgenius (704962) on Thursday September 02, @03:25PM (#10142186) You can very easily use the phone as a modem for Laptops and PDAs over bluetooth. I've successfully browsed the web w/ a Tungsten T3 without a hitch. That particular profile is included in the BT setup of the phone right now. [ ParentRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:37PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by WinterSolstice (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:24PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Mr. Slippery (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:30PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by CodeBuster (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:14PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by savagedome (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:10PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by TheRealFixer (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:20PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Richard_at_work (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:27PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by G-funk (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @07:13PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Richard_at_work (Score:2)Friday September 03, @04:20AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by damiangerous (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:36PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by uradu (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:41PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by evilned (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:43PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by waynelorentz (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:32PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Cobalt Jacket (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @05:08PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by waynelorentz (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:27PMWhat u need is unlocking by dotslasher_sri (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @06:29PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by nelsonal (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:21PMdepends on where you fly to by Trepidity (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:01PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by McPierce (Score:1)Friday September 03, @08:07AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by randyest (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:17PM Re:Verizon is developer-unfriendly (Score:4, Insightful) by ElGuapoGolf (600734) on Thursday September 02, @03:35PM (#10142287) (http://www.buildhigh.com/) Verizon's *main* reason for disabling the OBEX functionality on this phoen is simple... they do not want you to be able to take pictures from your phone and send them to others via bluetooth. If the disabling of BT was simply for security, you'd be able to transfer pictures using that nice 40 dollar data cable they'll happily sell you. But you can't with that either. I bought my bluetooth phone from Cingular for 2 reasons. I can sync my calendar, and use the handsfree in my car. The phone itself was 100. With Verizon I would pay 200 for the phone (yeah, I know you can get it for 179 from joe's phone shack, but whatever) and I'd pay another 40 for the data cable to sync with my calendar. What's the point of Verizon even offering this....? [ ParentRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Em Ellel (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:53PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by ElGuapoGolf (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:10PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Em Ellel (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:15PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Kiryat Malachi (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:43PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by ElGuapoGolf (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:47PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Em Ellel (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @07:36PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Em Ellel (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @07:47PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by afidel (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @11:30PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by gl4ss (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:39PMBenefit of doubt? by siskbc (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:53PMRe:Benefit of doubt? by randyest (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:09PMRe:Benefit of doubt? by ElGuapoGolf (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:49PMRe:Benefit of doubt? by Nuclear Elephant (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:16PMthen why no usb transfer? by putch (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:08PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by bigmase521 (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @05:17PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by dasmegabyte (Score:2)Friday September 03, @02:06PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Chanc_Gorkon (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:37PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by sadida_333 (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @07:14PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Kithraya (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:20PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Lehk228 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:29PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by bigmase521 (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @06:36PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Lehk228 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @07:35PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by angle_slam (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:31PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Suppafly (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:37PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by David_W (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:06PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Kithraya (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:23PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by jack_csk (Score:1)Friday September 03, @12:07AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by v1x (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:21PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Asprin (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @04:32PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by KillboyPHD (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @06:14PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Asprin (Score:2)Friday September 03, @07:35AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by KillboyPHD (Score:1)Friday September 03, @07:40PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by dasmegabyte (Score:2)Friday September 03, @02:08PMUS: "Blame Canada!" Germany: "Blame Luxembourg!" by Superjhemp (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:45PMhow 'bout at&t? by Anubis350 (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:59PMRe:how 'bout at&t? by marktwen0 (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @07:00PMRe:how 'bout at&t? by Anubis350 (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @08:49PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by DLR (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:51PMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Doppler00 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @10:45PMGetting more from T-Mobile by 87C751 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @11:56PMRe:Getting more from T-Mobile by Doppler00 (Score:1)Friday September 03, @12:44AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by Wiseleo (Score:1)Friday September 03, @01:08AMRe:Verizon is developer-unfriendly by McPierce (Score:1)Friday September 03, @08:03AM Actually sounds OK to me (Score:4, Interesting) by Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) * <seebert@seeberfamily.org> on Thursday September 02, @03:02PM (#10141924) (http://www.informationr.us/ | Last Journal: Friday September 23, @04:50PM) My main wishes in a bluetooth phone are dial up networking and cord-free headsets. For those of us who carry PDAs anyway with a SD card slot, there's an easy workaround for picture transfering- just use your PDA whenever your phone gets full, and at the end of the day before you sync your PDA.wrong by putch (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:14PMRe:wrong by Marxist Hacker 42 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:24PMRe:wrong by Kerkyon (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:24PMRe:wrong by putch (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:33PMI am OUTRAGED by stratjakt (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:03PMBluetooth == beta? by Ayanami Rei (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:26PMpopular culture's greatest blunder by beejay54 (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:32PMRe:popular culture's greatest blunder by smclean (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:58PMRe:popular culture's greatest blunder by Kiryat Malachi (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:45PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I am OUTRAGED by gl4ss (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:52PMRe:I am OUTRAGED by lidocaineus (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:41PMRe:I am OUTRAGED by InfiniteWisdom (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:54PMRe:I am OUTRAGED by putch (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @05:05PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. crappy photos to (Score:5, Informative) by oneishy (669590) <{moc.yhsieno} {ta} {atobezcj}> on Thursday September 02, @03:05PM (#10141960) (http://www.jehiah.com/) It's not only the bluetooth support that is lacking. The colors in the camera [jehiah.com] are really bad to!oh... and you can use iSync with the usb cable [google.com], just not over bluetoothRe:crappy photos to by jerkychew (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:41PMRe:crappy photos to by oneishy (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:59PMRe:crappy photos to by dasmegabyte (Score:2)Friday September 03, @02:15PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Business model? by Zorilla (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:06PMRe:Business model? by gl4ss (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:25PMExcept... by tkrotchko (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. As an owner of this phone... (Score:5, Informative) by DaHat (247651) on Thursday September 02, @03:06PM (#10141973) (http://ihatelinux.blogspot.com/) I've been quite happy with this phone since my purchase of it a month ago, I wish it had full Bluetooth support and I was told only yesterday by customer service that an update will be out in 3-4 weeks to enable full Bluetooth support. Syncing of phonebook here I come! Re:As an owner of this phone... (Score:5, Insightful) by madcow_ucsb (222054) <<ten.sknas> <ta> <todhsals>> on Thursday September 02, @03:18PM (#10142103) Yeah and I was told a year ago by their executive offices that there'd be a tool released by Verizon "in 3-4 weeks" to go in via the data cable and upload progs and ringtones without GetItNow. Don't believe a thing those guys say... [ ParentRe:As an owner of this phone... by DaHat (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:34PMRe:As an owner of this phone... by Dragoon412 (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @04:57PMRe:As an owner of this phone... by DaHat (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @09:53PMRe:As an owner of this phone... by goldfndr (Score:2)Saturday September 04, @02:04AMRe:As an owner of this phone... by Dragoon412 (Score:2)Saturday September 04, @11:49AMRe:As an owner of this phone... by baerm (Score:1)Friday September 03, @02:49PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:As an owner of this phone... by ShroomSolo (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:27PMRe:As an owner of this phone... by rograndom (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:02PMfull BT==BT sync; full BT=! OBEX by putch (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:24PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. NYNEX Still SUX (Score:5, Interesting) by Doc Ruby (173196) on Thursday September 02, @03:07PM (#10141980) (http://slashdot.org/~Doc%20Ruby/journal | Last Journal: Thursday March 31, @02:48PM) Verizon's business model is to force people to place all communications through *them*, regardless of the sensibility of that network model. They're protecting their wireless empire as hamfistedly as they protected their dialup model, charging people 10x for "data lines" for modems over 9600bps, seeking Congressional protection from "always on" ISPs, crushing DSL competition. Too bad the WiFi genie's already out of the bottle. In the future, circuit-switched landlines and CDMA radios might only serve as backups, when our fibers and WiFi associations fail. With luck, the DSL conquest won't be repeated by Verizon Wireless, since colocation infrastructure isn't as necessary.Re:NYNEX Still SUX by Dr_LHA (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @07:05PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Friday September 03, @03:00AMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:48PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by dspisak (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:28PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:02PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by dspisak (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @05:12PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:21PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Talez (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @07:53PMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Friday September 03, @03:02AMRe:NYNEX Still SUX by Doc Ruby (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:06PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Maybe they should have dubbed... (Score:5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02, @03:09PM (#10141997) ...their crippled version BlueBalls. All that promise of sexy features, getting everyone excited, then not delivering the goods.Re:Maybe they should have dubbed... by SlowMovingTarget (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:29PM Nothing New from Verizon (Score:5, Informative) by retsaMedoC (107951) <retsamedoc.asu@edu> on Thursday September 02, @03:10PM (#10142008) (http://www.digitalactionsproject.com/) This isn't the first time Verizon Wireless has crippled a phone. Motorola's T720 phone was also the victim of a nasty hack. The T720 was designed to use Java and Verizon uses Qualcomm's Brew for their Get It Now service. Java was stripped from the phone, not to mention other features like being able to recieve pictures via SMS Messages or the builtin web browser.Re:Nothing New from Verizon by SlashdotOgre (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @09:59PM ringtones (Score:5, Interesting) by linuxpng (314861) on Thursday September 02, @03:11PM (#10142019) I was pretty disappointed to find out they strip midi files from incoming emails. Making it impossible to send yourself free ringtones.. It's even worse that certain polyphonic phones can't receive SMS messages with midi files either. I had to resort to a motorola phone programmer and USB cable. It's unfortunate, alot of people would never go that route to get a dollar ringtone into their phone. Re:ringtones (Score:4, Informative) by liquidsin (398151) on Thursday September 02, @03:21PM (#10142125) (http://www.fruitsofinsanity.com/) I use Telus (Canadian provider) and they did the same to me with an Ericsson T206. They don't actually tell you that they've fucked up the phone - you have to find that out for yourself. They decided it was more profitable to remove the ringtone composer that Sony put on the phone, as well as the ability to send ringtones via SMS, leaving only one option for getting new ringtones - buy them on the Telus website for $1.50 each. Rat bastards. [ ParentRe:ringtones by Templar (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:12PMRe:ringtones by linuxpng (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:16PMRe:ringtones by CodeBuster (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @04:20PMRe:ringtones by ericdfields (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @09:12PMRe:ringtones by fuzzcat (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @10:57PMGreedy bastards? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:11PMRe:Greedy bastards? by Eclypser (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @03:13PMRe:Greedy bastards? by Skye16 (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:14PMRe:Greedy bastards? by Minwee (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:26PMRe:Greedy bastards? by Paulrothrock (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:55PMRe:Greedy bastards? by cmowire (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:13PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.who to blame for this? by WormholeFiend (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:13PM Confucius say (Score:5, Funny) by Julian Morrison (5575) <julian@NospAM.extropy.demon.co.uk> on Thursday September 02, @03:14PM (#10142053) ..."if honorable business model depends on building a toll-gate where there are open roads to left and right, soon will have new business model involving burgers and fries"Re:Confucius say by karnal (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:15PMWhat the heck... by keiferb (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:14PM vote with your wallet (Score:5, Interesting) by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday September 02, @03:14PM (#10142064) (http://snobile.dmz.fi/ | Last Journal: Monday December 09, @06:12PM) buy unhindered phones. or well, if you really like the walled garden aproach then why not, sure, give them away dollars for doing some simple stuff like moving data few feet. if their services are otherwise very cheap then as a customer it could make sense to cave into feature reductions like this, but i doubt it. this is also why on some phones it's a bitch to get the pictures out even if the manufacturer could have very very cheapily added usb or whatever connectivity. it's left out intentionally so the networks that want walled gardens can feel good about them. and if you claim that things like this are needed to make running a network profitable/possible.. that's just pure bullshit. you don't even need locked phones for fast adaptation, hell, i'd argue that locked phones being illegal make for a faster adaption.. much easier to compare a) handset prices b) network prices (=less bullshit hidden costs pricing). oh and if you start with the "i'd only buy a linux based phone", the 'linux' phones coming are locked up tight - tighter than smartphones available now.What's a real developer friendly phone - by Ayanami Rei (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:31PMRe:What's a real developer friendly phone - by Wesley Felter (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:16PMRe:What's a real developer friendly phone - by gl4ss (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:44PMRe:What's a real developer friendly phone - by gl4ss (Score:2)Friday September 03, @01:01PMFree phones are subsidized by connection prices... by Dr. Evil (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:44PMRe:Free phones are subsidized by connection prices by gcaseye6677 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:21PMRe:Free phones are subsidized by connection prices by gl4ss (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:49PMcoverage is king by Heisenbug (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:50PMRe:coverage is king by gl4ss (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:34PMRe:coverage is king by Heisenbug (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @05:48PMRe:coverage is king by gl4ss (Score:2)Friday September 03, @05:18AMRe:vote with your wallet - WORD UP by mcwop (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:54PMRe:vote with your wallet by FeloniousPunk (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @10:41PMRe:vote with your wallet by 10Ghz (Score:3)Friday September 03, @04:40AMRe:vote with your wallet by xmedh02 (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @04:58PMVerizon does not develop firmware by mrm677 (Score:3)Thursday September 02, @03:15PMRe:Verizon does not develop firmware by the MaD HuNGaRIaN (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:19PMRe:Verizon does not develop firmware by falcon5768 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @03:59PMRe:Verizon does not develop firmware by mrm677 (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @04:34PMRe:Verizon does not develop firmware by the MaD HuNGaRIaN (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @04:40PMRe:Verizon does not develop firmware by Kiryat Malachi (Score:2)Thursday September 02, @06:49PMRe:Verizon does not develop firmware by the MaD HuNGaRIaN (Score:1)Thursday September 02, @07:01PM