Nuclear Elephant writes "Pen Computing Magazine recently ran an article about the Motorola v710, which has been crippled by Verizon. A hacking contest is now underway, and the pot is steadily growing. The first hacker to provide a hack (or instructions) to enable OBEX and OPP features on the handset before Jan 1 wins the pot. See the official site for more information." We mentioned this phone a few days ago.Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='communications';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted. Motorola Hacker Rewards Program Log in/Create an Account | Top | 204 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 204 comments 0: 194 comments 1: 144 comments 2: 110 comments 3: 29 comments 4: 14 comments 5: 9 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. Does the prize include (Score:5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 05, @01:37PM (#10163216) Lawyers fees for the DMCA lawsuit from Verizon?Re:Does the prize include by SQLz (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @01:52PM Re:Does the prize include (Score:5, Funny) by Wordsmith (183749) on Sunday September 05, @02:12PM (#10163382) (http://www.louishochman.com/) isn't everything? [ ParentRe:Does the prize include by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:50PM Re:Does the prize include (Score:5, Interesting) by erick99 (743982) <homerun@gmail.com> on Sunday September 05, @01:52PM (#10163309) I worked for one of the top three cell phone companies from April until August of this year (I resigned on Aug 12th). You would not believe this industry from the inside. First they shoot themselves in the foot by selling phones for a penny that costs them several hundred dollars. Then, they try to get it back by selling all sorts of "extras." The billing errors alone probably make up some of the lost profit. I did not see a single billing error on any of my screens that were in favor of a customer. My own bill for my two boys were off by $150/month for three months in the carriers favor. The pressure to get new "activations" is enormous. You are directed to say almost anything to get a new activation and then they deal with the lies on the backend. If you choose not to lie, as I did, they make your life almost unbearable. I did make a good income and I could have continued. But, I got so that I didn't like myself much anymore.Cheers,Erick [ ParentRe:Does the prize include by Monkelectric (Score:3)Sunday September 05, @02:25PM Not to be too harsh on you... (Score:5, Funny) by PaulBu (473180) on Sunday September 05, @03:26PM (#10163758) (http://slashdot.org/) But maybe this story explains your .signature? ;-) Paul B. [ ParentRe:Not to be too harsh on you... by Svartalf (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @10:42PMMOD PARENT UP! ;-) by PaulBu (Score:2)Monday September 06, @12:54AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Not to be too harsh on you... by wolrahnaes (Score:2)Monday September 06, @01:05AMRe:Not to be too harsh on you... by Monkelectric (Score:2)Monday September 06, @03:56PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Does the prize include by liquidpele (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:47PMRe:Does the prize include by phazethru (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @04:26PMRe:Does the prize include by Optikal (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @04:43PMRe:Does the prize include by jrockway (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @09:19PMRe:Does the prize include by wolrahnaes (Score:2)Monday September 06, @01:08AMRe:Does the prize include by BinxBolling (Score:2)Monday September 06, @12:38PMRe:Does the prize include by Anml4ixoye (Score:2)Monday September 06, @03:08PMRe:Does the prize include by mrscorpio (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @04:15PMRe:Does the prize include by dave420 (Score:3)Monday September 06, @04:25AMRe:Does the prize include by gnuadam (Score:2)Tuesday September 07, @05:39PM3 replies beneath your current threshold.Re:Does the prize include by Nuclear Elephant (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @06:26PMRe:Does the prize include by Nuclear Elephant (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @06:30PM Separate betting pool established (Score:3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 05, @01:39PM (#10163228) $20 to enter. Whoever guesses closest to the actual date and time the DMCA is invoked to stop this, wins it all! Verizon? (Score:2, Insightful) by tommyboyprime (694285) * on Sunday September 05, @01:43PM (#10163243) (Last Journal: Saturday April 30, @08:26PM) OK it's a nifty phone with all the features enabled, but $519 who the hell needs it?Re:Verizon? by Nogami_Saeko (Score:3)Sunday September 05, @01:57PMRe:Verizon? by UranusReallyHertz (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:28PMRe:Verizon? by ottothecow (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:40PMRe:Verizon? by PipsqueakOnAP133 (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:48PMRe:Verizon? by IgnoramusMaximus (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @04:25PMbogus argument by bluGill (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @06:12PMRe:Verizon? by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:18PMRe:bogus argument by IgnoramusMaximus (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:19PMRe:Verizon? by IgnoramusMaximus (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:28PMRe:Verizon? by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @08:35PMRe:Verizon? by IgnoramusMaximus (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @08:50PMRe:Verizon? by UranusReallyHertz (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @04:23PMRe:Verizon? by IgnoramusMaximus (Score:3)Sunday September 05, @04:37PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Secure (Score:1, Interesting) by leonmergen (807379) <lmergen AT gmail DOT com> on Sunday September 05, @01:44PM (#10163246) (http://www.solatis.com/) Well, let's hope all this leads to more secure phones in the future... isn't that what's hacking all about ? Detecting flaws without abusing them, so companies can improve their product ?Re:Secure by Paleomacus (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:30PM Verizon known for crippling phones (Score:5, Informative) by whysanity (231556) * on Sunday September 05, @01:44PM (#10163249) (http://www.typecastsolid.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday November 30, @09:05PM) Verizon is known for doing this type of things with thier phones. Entire communities have been created to discuss the problems and find workarounds. Just taking a look around at Howard forums [howardforums.com] and you can come up with tools such as the balpatch [howardforums.com] which was created in an attempt to take control of the Motorola T720 for loading of pics and tones. Despite a user outcry and many letters written to them in complaint of abandoning JAVA in favor of BREW [qualcomm.com] (a proprietary Qualcomm language), Verizon cares not.Re:Verizon known for crippling phones by coolgeek (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:20PMRe:Verizon known for crippling phones by ElGuapoGolf (Score:3)Sunday September 05, @03:26PMRe:Verizon known for crippling phones by coolgeek (Score:2)Monday September 06, @02:44AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Verizon known for crippling phones by spectral (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:48PMRe:Verizon known for crippling phones by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:03PMRe:Verizon known for crippling phones by Thomas Shaddack (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @11:39PM Re:Verizon known for crippling phones (Score:5, Insightful) by jonsmirl (114798) on Sunday September 05, @06:48PM (#10164781) I have to agree that Verizon is making the phones useless. Next phone I get is going to be voice only. I wasted a bunch of money buying a couple of Motorola 722's to then find out that I had to pay more to use every feature. I wanted to sync my calendar/address book with Yahoo. I called Verizon, no program exists for syncing Yahoo to a Motorola 722. So I said fine I'll write one and open source it. When I mentioned this on the Qualcomm forms I almost got lynched. People complained about commies like me ruining their ability to make money and support their families. I said that I was willing to buy the program but none exists -- no one offered to write it. Qualcom is completely against free distibution of apps for Brew. They told me that I could write it and distribute for free on the Verizon net if I was willing to pay the fees for all of the users. I also had to pay a $4000 up front fee. Turns out that they require additional app royalty fees to use the OS I just bought from them. The offical reason for this "fee" is that Qualcomm will audit my apps to ensure that they don't contain a virus that would call 911. I tried to point out to them that a virus on home computers with modems is just as dangerous, but they wouldn't listen. None of this is Motorola's fault. It is all Qualcomm and Verizon. When my contract is up I'm getting a new network and Linux based phones. [ ParentRe:BREW isn't a language, it's a runtime/API by LnxAddct (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @06:30PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Bet the pot goes to some Verizon tech (Score:3, Interesting) by Myrrh (53301) <matthew...mccleary@@@gmail...com> on Sunday September 05, @01:44PM (#10163250) (http://www.nmt.edu/~hayduke) What do you want to bet the tech(s) who originally figured out how to cripple the phone hear about this, un-cripple it (or at least tell how), and collect the bounty? I'd do it if it were me. Hopefully the pot grows enough to offset the lost income if Verizon finds out and fires the guilty party, though.Re:Bet the pot goes to some Verizon tech by x0n (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @05:05PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. What!? (Score:4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 05, @01:44PM (#10163254) They win pot? Where do I enter?!Re:What!? by ThatsNotFunny (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @04:27PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Pardon my ignorance, but.. (Score:1) by jonesboy_damnit (773676) on Sunday September 05, @01:44PM (#10163255) ..is the DMCA basically legislation saying "the US government will kill you and your children if you should choose to attempt to learn more about the consumer electronics for which you have paid so much of your hard-earned money"? I remember a little while back they detained that Russian programmer under the DMCA. It sounds scary.Somebody call my mommy! :(-Matt1 reply beneath your current threshold. Free Publicity (Score:3, Insightful) by UncleBiggims (526644) on Sunday September 05, @01:44PM (#10163256) Could it be that the decision to cripple bluetooth was deliberate? Other companies should take note. Instead of spending money and resources on functionality, just get someone to sponsor a hack-fest. Just think of the free publicity and functionality that will ensue. Think of the increase in sales as all those code slingers seek fame and fortune. Just think of the prestige your customers will feel when they can say, "Yeah, I have the v710, but mine has been hacked."Re:Free Publicity by gl4ss (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:57PMRe:Free Publicity by Myuu (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:01PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Just sit tight. (Score:3, Interesting) by peterdaly (123554) <petedaly@ix.net c o m . com> on Sunday September 05, @01:45PM (#10163259) (http://www.budget-ha.com/) There is a bluetooth update coming something soon (schedule is/was early this month) for the v710. At least one person has claimed to have received word via email from verizon that at least some of the functionality this "hack contest" is looking for will be provided in the update. Sit tight until the update comes out...then assess the situation. Then, if needed, we can work ourselves up into a hissy about this. I think Verizon released this phone before it was ready, probably due to customers leaving for lack of a bluetooth option. They probably figured the backlash may be better than lost customers, or I could be wrong and they may just be totally missing the boat.Re:Just sit tight. by garbletext (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:02PMRe:Just sit tight. by sprior (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:46PMRe:Just sit tight. by bergerjs (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:13PM DMCA (Score:4, Informative) by thebdj (768618) on Sunday September 05, @01:46PM (#10163269) (Last Journal: Thursday September 22, @04:18PM) The problem with worrying about the DMCA is that it is not Verizon who can call for it. You see the hardware is create and owned by Motorola. So if anyone would complain it would be them. To be honest if I was Motorola I would be just as pissed at Verizon for castrating my product.I suppose Motorola could go after the people, but really do they have anything to lose by people figuring out how to turn a feature on that was originally in the phone to begin with?Re:DMCA by Kpt Kill (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:18PMRe:DMCA by mrm677 (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:10PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Que? (Score:5, Insightful) by iamdrscience (541136) <iamdrscience@hotmai l . com> on Sunday September 05, @01:47PM (#10163274) (http://itsbeenconfirmed.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday May 04, @03:33AM) Am I missing something? Why not just switch to a different network that isn't so hostile towards their customers. I mean, the fact that Verizon is actually saying that they don't offer a bluetooth phone because it doesn't fit their business model, despite the fact that many customers want it is ridiculous. Sounds like a path towards an out-of-business model to me.Re:Que? by Myrrh (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @01:59PMQue?-Customers always right. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:15PMRe:Que?-Customers always right. by j3110 (Score:2)Monday September 06, @10:13AMRe:Que? by Rew190 (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:46PM Re:Que? (Score:4, Informative) by Andy Dodd (701) <atd7@@@cornell...edu> on Sunday September 05, @03:32PM (#10163792) (http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/atd7/) Simple. Every other carrier's coverage sucks. Verizon has the best coverage, some of the best customer service (The ONLY time I've had any problems with their customer service was when 90% of their employees were on strike.), and the best quality control on their phones. (Which is why their selection of phones sometimes suffers.) Don't like the v710? Go buy another phone. The article linked to is wrong - There are plenty of situations where people have activated Sprint phones on Verizon with no troubles (other than having to unlock the Sprint phone's programming mode. Sprint are bastards like that, whereas the access password for every Verizon phone I've owned has been 00000.) I have a Kyocera 6035 Smartphone, with LOTS of features that are "direct competitors" to the ones Verizon wants to push. None of them have been crippled in any way. Same for the 7135. [ ParentRe:Que? by KjetilK (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @05:30PMRe:Que? by Andy Dodd (Score:2)Tuesday September 07, @02:44PMRe:Que? by chgros (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:53PM As a Verizon and Mac customer (Score:4, Interesting) by Fudge.Org (7036) on Sunday September 05, @01:49PM (#10163288) (http://www.kittyporn.org/ | Last Journal: Friday September 26, @04:28PM) I find that a) it would be better to go with Nextel for a wireless data service. b) it would be better to go with AT&T/Cingular for a Bluetooth feature enabled phone selection. Verizon gets Moto to give them phones but there is no guarantee who is responsible for the software running on the phone. I get the full impact of this approach when I use my phone today. When I can actually -use- the phone that is. Sadly, the current phone I use (Moto T720C) just reboots and has general software issues because I actually try to use the features of the phone. It all started when I did my first iSync. After that, it is very common to just have the phone reboot after reading a text message and the battery life is horrible. That said, if I just used the unit as a phone it is reliable. Verizon has swapped out hardware numerous times since it was considered to be a case of bad hardware. Right. Sure. Then when the 5p software load is on the new hardware it still chokes the phone. I would say it is just silly but I actually use my phone for work. Finally, I got a rep to admit that Verizon let Moto outsource the software for the T720c and if you try to get one now most reps won't even let you get the T720c if you beg for it. Too many problems. I was looking at going to the V710 but now I am leaning towards other options like the LG phones since the Bluetooth on the V710 is not fully baked and may never be. I guess Verizon is the choice if -all- you want to do is make phone calls.Re:As a Verizon and Mac customer by FuzzzyLogik (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @01:52PMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by Fudge.Org (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:00PMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by FuzzzyLogik (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:14PMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by Fudge.Org (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @05:20PMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by FuzzzyLogik (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @09:56PMAs a Nextel user... by SaDan (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @04:20PMRe:As a Nextel user... by Fudge.Org (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @05:25PMRe:As a Nextel user... by Kiryat Malachi (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @09:36PMRe:As a Nextel user... by SaDan (Score:1)Monday September 06, @12:15AMRe:As a Nextel user... by Kiryat Malachi (Score:2)Monday September 06, @02:03AMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:07PMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by Fudge.Org (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @10:57PMRe:As a Verizon and Mac customer by Fudge.Org (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @11:03PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. Bluetooth (Score:2, Insightful) by FuzzzyLogik (592766) on Sunday September 05, @01:49PM (#10163289) (http://www.unlogikal.net/) I remember hearing people say bluetooth was dead and it was a giant failure. funny how now bluetooth is something everyone wants :) I wish my verizon phone had bluetooth, I'd love to get a jabra bluetooth headset sure would make talking on the phone easier during my commute to school and such. Ah well, maybe one day a service provider (that isn't crap) would handle a good fully featured bluetooth handsetRe:Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:42PMRe:Bluetooth by ElGuapoGolf (Score:2)Monday September 06, @12:14AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Correction... (Score:3, Insightful) by keiferb (267153) on Sunday September 05, @01:50PM (#10163297) (http://valinor.net/) The first hacker to provide a hack (or instructions) to enable OBEX and OPP features on the handset before Jan 1 wins the pot.Correction. The first hacker's lawyers win the pot defending the first hacker in his DMCA suit.2 replies beneath your current threshold. I'd been waiting for this phone. (Score:3, Interesting) by TellarHK (159748) <tellarhk@hotmaiOPENBSDl.com minus bsd> on Sunday September 05, @02:00PM (#10163341) (http://bowdownbefore.us/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 03, @07:34PM) For the last -year- I had been waiting for a chance to get a Bluetooth phone with my Verizon account. Fortunately, the same week I see that it's been released, I see posts about Verizon having totally screwed it up so I can avoid spending any cash on it. I can understand them wanting to make more money with more feature offerings, but it's unexcusable that they don't explain things more clearly when you're shopping for a phone. The only question now, is who to switch to? My plan is up in December. I tried to make sense of the price structures involved in AT&T Wireless' plans, as they do definitely have the best options in phones. I can't even find out anything remotely clear from the site, though. Do they charge different rates for data? Per K? Ugh.Re:I'd been waiting for this phone. by garbletext (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:08PMRe:I'd been waiting for this phone. by IronTek (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:43PMRe:I'd been waiting for this phone. by Kiryat Malachi (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @09:38PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I'd been waiting for this phone. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:05PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I'd been waiting for this phone. by Delita (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:21PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I'd been waiting for this phone. by ZackSchil (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:22PMRe:I'd been waiting for this phone. by ZackSchil (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @10:01PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. not confined to Verizon and Motorola (Score:2) by dash2 (155223) <hughjonesd AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk> on Sunday September 05, @02:01PM (#10163347) (http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~dhughj | Last Journal: Thursday September 23, @06:43PM) I have a Nokia 7250i. A very nice phone, which lets you take colour photographs, with an infrared port. I can upload my contacts to my PC via the infrared port - works out of the box, modulo a bit of man page reading, under Debian. Can I upload my photos? Can I fuck. Can I send my photos to my computer via email, at 20p a throw? Why yes, I can. I wish someone who knew about these things could write an OBEX thingy to upload them. I know it is possible in theory - there is a closed source windows app that does it. Dave1 reply beneath your current threshold. I'm missing something. (Score:3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 05, @02:15PM (#10163394) Let's examine the situation. - there's a hostile cell phone company- you continue to use them- you complain when they suck- you stick with them, despite their ignorance, but you then post "rewards" to fix their problems Umm. Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to just switch cellular carriers? (Changing cell phone companies is not that hard to do!)Re:I'm missing something. by bblazer (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:16PMRe:I'm missing something. by ElGuapoGolf (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:30PMRe:I'm missing something. by bergerjs (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:19PMRe:I'm missing something. by ElGuapoGolf (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @03:32PMThis ones easy. by Electrawn (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:28PMRe:This ones easy. by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:12PMRe:This ones easy. by BRTB (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @10:48PMRe:This ones easy. by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @10:58PM Is This a Problem? (Score:3, Interesting) by severoon (536737) on Sunday September 05, @02:17PM (#10163405) (Last Journal: Tuesday September 14, @04:59PM) I can see how this upsets people, and I think the best approach is to just advertise it and try to punish Verizon that way. Organize a kind of tech-geek boycott. But unfortunately, I don't think there's a legal problem with what they're doing.Should companies be allowed to sell their products hobbled? If we decide no for Verizon, then we also must go after Microsoft, whose baseline operating system is always the more advanced flavor. For instance, in Win 2000 Pro, many of the features of Server are present but disabled. Should we apply the same standard here and say that Pro must have all such features enabled? I'm not sure...As far as applying the DMCA to this situation of this contest...I don't see how any law can stop it. It can just force it underground, or force the perpetrators to come up with a flimsy cover story.Re:Is This a Problem? by FuzzzyLogik (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @02:32PMRe:Is This a Problem? by trans_err (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:33PMRe:Is This a Problem? by Igmuth (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @02:50PMRe:Is This a Problem? by severoon (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @05:45PMRe:Is This a Problem? by Igmuth (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @09:43PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Take my money - please (Score:2) by Brento (26177) * <`brento' `at' `brentozar.com'> on Sunday September 05, @02:36PM (#10163490) (http://www.brentozar.com/) The sad thing is that as a faithful Verizon customer for three years, I can't give them enough money to get me a phone with fully functional, non-crippled Bluetooth. I travel a lot, and along with several other geeks in the company, we pay Verizon for their great network as opposed to taking the company's free Sprint phones with horrendous coverage. I preach the gospel of Verizon's great signal strength whenever a friend is thinking about dumping one of the GSM carriers, but they always turn their nose up at the crummy phones Verizon carries. I don't get it: Verizon has rabidly faithful customers already. They do a great job with the high-speed data service. Why don't they go the last mile and carry a decent Bluetooth phone? It's not like I'm asking for it for free - I'll *give* them the money, they just won't take it....Real bounty by Electrawn (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @03:33PMRe:Real bounty by data1 (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @06:44PMRe:Real bounty by XO (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @07:22PM Re:Take my money - please (Score:5, Interesting) by ElGuapoGolf (600734) on Sunday September 05, @03:38PM (#10163816) (http://www.buildhigh.com/) I don't get it: Verizon has rabidly faithful customers already. They do a great job with the high-speed data service. Why don't they go the last mile and carry a decent Bluetooth phone? It's not like I'm asking for it for free - I'll *give* them the money, they just won't take it....It's all about the extras. If they gave you a fully functional Bluetooth phone, with a functional OBEX profile, you wouldn't have to use their Get-It-Now service to send yourself the pictures you've taken using the camera phone you bought from Verizon. Could you imagine, getting your photos off your phone(which you paid for) for free? It'd almost make that .3 megapixel picture somewhat compelling. And I know you can do it with the transwhatever card that's in the phone, but imagine how nice it would be to do it wirelessly...But that's not all. If you had Java on the phone, instead of that redheaded stepchild BREW, you could use bluetooth to send yourself the games you've bought in the past for your older phones. And Verizon wouldn't make a penny! Could you imagine the horror of getting to use your old games and Verizon not making a penny out of that, other than the initial cost of selling you the game?But wait, there's even more! If you had multiple cellular phones, you could take a ringtone from off your fiance's phone and send it to yours! For free! Verizon wouldn't make a penny, except for the money they made when they sold you the ringtone to begin with. The horror. [ Parent1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Take my money - please by smaug195 (Score:2)Sunday September 05, @10:30PM Why Verizon? (Score:2, Interesting) by tyrr (306852) on Sunday September 05, @02:37PM (#10163495) Verizon is expensive, unfriendly and the phones they ancient.710 looks OK, but personally I'd take Nokia 6230 any day.GSM networks allow you to use state of the art phones of your choice and cost less.For mere 80$ I get 1000 minutes, free nights-weekends, free in-network calling, free WAP, unlimited SMS, unlimited access to Wi-Fi in almost every Starbucks, Borders, Kinko's. Beat that!Re:Why Verizon? by tyrr (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @05:56PMRe:Why Verizon? by tyrr (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @10:30PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. Buy something else (Score:2) by OYAHHH (322809) on Sunday September 05, @02:42PM (#10163523) Instead, Of getting your panties all in a wad and wasteing a lot of time, just buy another phone/service/etc. You wallet speaks a lot more loudly than your hacking skills.Re:Buy something else by l33t m4st3r (Score:1)Sunday September 05, @07:07PM Along the same lines (Score:1)