3l1za writes ""President Bush on Thursday announced the recipients of this year's Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civil award." Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn -- for their design of "the software code used to transmit data over the Internet" -- are among those to be honored next Wednesday. " Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn Awarded Medal of Freedom Log in/Create an Account | Top | 135 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 135 comments 0: 130 comments 1: 105 comments 2: 80 comments 3: 28 comments 4: 16 comments 5: 7 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. The history of the award, and the need. (Score:4, Interesting) by dada21 (163177) * <dadacell@@@hotmail...com> on Sunday November 06, @12:18PM (#13963338) This is newsworthy? This is the same President who gave [lewrockwell.com] George J. Tenet the Medal of Freedom.This is generally cronyism at its worst, and media attention getting at its finest. There is no Constitutional mandate or power. President Harry Truman enacted [medaloffreedom.com] the medal in 1945 and it was virtually ignored until JFK brought it back -- through an Executive Order [wikipedia.org] in 1963.That same Executive Order also expanded the size of unconstitutional government by extending the "Distinguished Civilian Service Awards" board -- yet another cronyist bunch given very nice salaries* by the President.I know the political spectrum is well covered here, but does anyone honestly believe a government that is trillions in debt needs a board to give out awards? Disregard any constitutional grounds and focus on the need of the governed. Can't an independent not-for-profit group do the same? BTW, Clinton also gave the award to some ridiculous recipients, so I'm not Bush bashing. This is just a waste of your money.*There's almost no oversight or budget restrictions on what the board can be paid: Expenses. Necessary administrative expenses of the Board incurred in connection with the recommendation of persons to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, including expenses of travel of members of the Board appointed under Section 3 (a) of this Order, during the fiscal year 1963, may be paid from the appropriation provided under the heading 'Special Projects' in the Executive Office Appropriation Act, 1963, 76 Stat. 315, and during subsequent fiscal years, to the extent permitted by law, from any corresponding or like appropriation made available for such fiscal years. Such payments shall be without regard to the provisions of section 3681 of the Revised Statutes and section 9 of the Act of March 4, 1909, 35 Stat. 1027 (31 U.S.C. 672 and 673). [ Reply to This Why is he giving it now? Why not years ago? (Score:5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 06, @12:27PM (#13963384) I think he's handing out the award now, because Vint Cerf (ICANN director) is backing Bush's proposal for US controlled DNS and taking Google with him.Whether you agree or disagree with the USA control of DNS, if Vint Cerf was deserving of the award then he should have got it years ago, not JUST BEFORE a meeting on the future control of the Internet on 18th November. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Why is he giving it now? Why not years ago? by dada21 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:29PMRe:Why is he giving it now? Why not years ago? by Zevon 2000 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:30PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Why is he giving it now? Why not years ago? by Mike Schiraldi (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:46PMRe:Why is he giving it now? Why not years ago? by patternjuggler (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @05:02PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The history of the award, and the need. by Zevon 2000 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:28PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The history of the award, and the need. by x8 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:04PMVery good points by Andy Dodd (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:21PMRe:Very good points by mi (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:22PMRe:Very good points by daraf (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:54PMWhy it's newsworthy by slizz (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:29PMRe:The history of the award, and the need. by slavemowgli (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:51PMRe:The history of the award, and the need. by flosofl (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:17PM Re:The history of the award, and the need. (Score:4, Insightful) by fm6 (162816) on Sunday November 06, @01:55PM (#13963841) (http://picknit.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday August 09, @02:53PM) This is generally cronyism at its worst, and media attention getting at its finest. There is no Constitutional mandate or power. President Harry Truman enacted [medaloffreedom.com] the medal in 1945 and it was virtually ignored until JFK brought it back -- through an Executive Order [wikipedia.org] in 1963. Dude, get a life. Cronyism is handing out jobs to underqualified friends. Dubya has certainly done his share of that, but it's not the same thing as handing out commerative tchatchkas to people he deems important.BTW, there was only one president (Eisenhower) between Truman and Kennedy. So every prexy since Truman, with a single exception has done this. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:And the lies...? by Agarax (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @03:09PMRe:And the lies...? by mi (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @03:26PMRe:And the lies...? by John Nowak (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:35PM2 replies beneath your current threshold. allow me to get this joke out of the way first... (Score:4, Funny) by schnits0r (633893) * <.moc.liamtoh. .ta. .sutefetalacohc.> on Sunday November 06, @12:19PM (#13963341) (http://www.schnits.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday March 29, @12:19AM) KHAAAAAAAN.....yea someone was gonna say it, it may as well be me. [ Reply to ThisRe:allow me to get this joke out of the way first. by discord5 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. MM Ok (Score:5, Informative) by davro (539320) on Sunday November 06, @12:21PM (#13963355) (http://www.davro.net/) Quote "The medal was established by President Truman in 1945 to recognize notable service in the war. In 1963, President John F. Kennedy reintroduced it as an honor for distinguished civilian service in peacetime. "And this is considered peacetime ? [ Reply to ThisRe:MM Ok by djward (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:31PMRe:MM Ok by Surt (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:37PMRe:MM Ok by DNS-and-BIND (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:12PMRe:MM Ok by Surt (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:54PMRe:MM Ok by jamstar7 (Score:1) Monday November 07, @12:30AMRe:MM Ok by Buzz_Litebeer (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:38PMRe:MM Ok by SharpFang (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:02PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.You're not really at "war". by CyricZ (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @12:54PMRe:You're not really at "war". by slavemowgli (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:48PMRe:You're not really at "war". by CyricZ (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @02:00PMRe:You're not really at "war". by Surt (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:54PMRe:You're not really at "war". by Lisandro (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:02PMRe:You're not really at "war". by operagost (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:28PMRe:You're not really at "war". by CyricZ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @02:40PMIt's the Juice? by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:53PMRe:It's the Juice? by CyricZ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @06:01PMRe:MM Ok by m50d (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:00PMRe:MM Ok by BushCheney08 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:09PMRe:MM Ok by EiZei (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:36PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Let's not forget (Score:3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 06, @12:22PM (#13963360) Aretha Franklin won it, too. As long as we're talking about mighty national heroes, and such. Maybe we should show these two a little R- oh, god, I can't do it! [ Reply to ThisRe:Let's not forget by game kid (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:10PM Woo! (Score:3, Funny) by failure-man (870605) <[failureman] [at] [gmail.com]> on Sunday November 06, @12:24PM (#13963369) A useless, nationalist-buzzword-laden award from the most dangerous man in the world! What an honor . . . . .   If it were me I'd ask for the lesser award of "presidental medal of awesome." Also, it would come with double prize money. [ Reply to This Unfortunate it wasn't sooner (Score:1, Flamebait) by suso (153703) * on Sunday November 06, @12:24PM (#13963370) (http://suso.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday March 09, @12:03AM) I find it less impressive since its being given by Bush. I realize that its more than the president that desides who receives such an honor. But still, for them to receive a medal of freedom from such a tyrant is disheartening. [ Reply to ThisRe:Unfortunate it wasn't sooner by CyricZ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:13PMRe:Unfortunate it wasn't sooner by suso (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:38PMRe:Unfortunate it wasn't sooner by DigiShaman (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:55PMRe:Unfortunate it wasn't sooner by suso (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @03:40PM WTF? (Score:4, Insightful) by khasim (1285) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Sunday November 06, @12:29PM (#13963397) A boxer ... an actor ... a singer ... a different actor ... a baseball player ... a radio personality?The Medal of Freedom?So the requirements are ... what? It certainly isn't "distinguished service" anymore. [ Reply to ThisRe:WTF? by Blu-Ray (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:01PMRe:WTF? by flyingsquid (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:09PMRe:You're an anti-american piece of shit by Kymermosst (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @04:16PMBah by sheldon (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:34PMRe:You're an anti-american piece of shit by Anonymous Luddite (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:36PMRe:You're an anti-american piece of shit by Daniel Dvorkin (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:36PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:WTF? by pipingguy (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:14PM Re:WTF? (Score:5, Insightful) by Bogtha (906264) on Sunday November 06, @02:18PM (#13963973) George Orwell referred to misuse of words like this as "swindles and perversions": Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different. Statements like Marshal Petain was a true patriot, The Soviet press is the freest in the world, The Catholic Church is opposed to persecution, are almost always made with intent to deceive. -- Politics and the English Language [resort.com]Throwing words like "democracy" and "freedom" around as generic terms of praise is not just poor English, it actively clouds peoples thinking and is often deceitful. [ Reply to This | ParentFrom the well DUD Department... by Spock the Baptist (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:13PM I'm confused (Score:5, Funny) by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Sunday November 06, @12:30PM (#13963400) the nation's highest civil award." Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn -- for their design of "the software code used to transmit data over the Internet"Shouldn't it have been Al Gore? [ Reply to ThisRe:I'm confused by turgid (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:37PMRe:I'm confused by Chapter80 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:49PM Yes you are (Score:4, Interesting) by Mark_in_Brazil (537925) on Sunday November 06, @12:55PM (#13963525) Shouldn't it have been Al Gore? Cerf and Kahn think so [interesting-people.org]. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:I'm confused by phritz (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:01PMRe:I'm confused by millennial (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:05PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I'm confused by shanen (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @07:36PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Internets (Score:3, Funny) by mabu (178417) on Sunday November 06, @12:36PM (#13963434) Shouldn't those guys get more than one medal? One for each of the internets? [ Reply to This And if they'd patented it.... (Score:4, Insightful) by rdean400 (322321) on Sunday November 06, @12:37PM (#13963441) we'd still have a bunch of proprietary network islands floating in a sea of mediocrity. [ Reply to ThisRe:And if they'd patented it.... by LaughingCoder (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:39PMRe:And if they'd patented it.... by Burz (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:47PM Political Opportunism ? (Score:1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 06, @12:46PM (#13963486) Is the reason they are being awarded the medal now a political publicity stunt connected with the ongoing row over who should control the Internet in the future i.e. George Bush saying to the public "Look, we invented it, we should control it !" ? [ Reply to This Vinton Cerf and DARPA? (Score:2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 06, @12:47PM (#13963491) You mean TCP/IP wasn't developed and patented by a private company that invested billions in R&D? [ Reply to This They should turn down the medals. (Score:5, Interesting) by CyricZ (887944) on Sunday November 06, @12:50PM (#13963500) It would be very noble of them to turn down the medals. Instead they should request that the money that would have been spent on the medals themselves, and any additional monetary award, be used towards the formation of an annual Nobel Prize-style award. The recipient could be an individual who has made a major contribution to computer networking.Everybody in the field knows (or should know) that they are amongst the Gods of the Internet. Their fame has peaked. That is why it would be very sportsmanlike of them to help highlight the achievements of others in their field. [ Reply to This Re:They should turn down the medals. (Score:4, Insightful) by s20451 (410424) on Sunday November 06, @01:00PM (#13963555) (Last Journal: Wednesday April 27, @11:05AM) Firstly, there is nothing wrong with them accepting the prize money, or getting other money from sponsors, and establishing such awards themselves. Alfred Nobel was just a prviate Swedish citizen. For that matter there is nothing preventing you or I from doing the same.Secondly, unless the money spent is in the neighborhood of $20 million (not likely), there would be no hope of setting up an annuity equivalent to a Nobel prize (which are worth about $1 million each).Thirdly, rejecting a prize is insulting and generally doesn't make people willing to hear your suggestions as to how the money should be otherwise spent. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:They should turn down the medals. by schon (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:46PMRe:They should turn down the medals. by Chris Mattern (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @07:39PMRe:They should turn down the medals. by CyricZ (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:26PMNot enough money by everphilski (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:12PMRe:They should turn down the medals. by shanen (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @07:28PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Jack Nicklaus? (Score:5, Informative) by Evro (18923) <evandhoffman&gmail,com> on Sunday November 06, @12:50PM (#13963501) (http://www.evanhoffman.com/news.php | Last Journal: Monday February 14, @11:15AM) * Muhammad Ali. The three-time heavyweight boxing champion, who lives in Berrien Springs, Mich., successfully defended the title 19 times and was a gold medalist at the 1960 Olympic Games.* Carol Burnett. The actress and comedian debuted on Broadway in 1959 and starred for more than a decade on "The Carol Burnett Show."* Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn. They designed the software code used to transmit data over the Internet.* Robert Conquest. The historian is known for his work on Soviet history, politics, and foreign policy. More than 35 years after its publication, his book, "The Great Terror: Stalin's Purge of the Thirties," remains one of the most influential studies of Soviet history.* Aretha Franklin. The singer has nearly two dozen No. 1 singles and has won numerous awards. The Detroit native was the first woman to be inducted into the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame.* Alan Greenspan. He has been chairman of the Federal Reserve for the past 18 years.* Andy Griffith. The actor first achieved national acclaim in the 1950s for his standup comedy routines. He went on to star in television shows such as "The Andy Griffith Show" and "Matlock" and numerous Broadway productions and films.* Paul Harvey. The radio personality's broadcasts started airing nationally in 1951.* Sonny Montgomery. A veterans' supporter during his 30 years as a member of the House of Representatives. The Montgomery GI Bill helped make education affordable for millions of veterans.* Gen. Richard Myers. He recently retired as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.* Jack Nicklaus. The golfer won 18 major tournaments as a professional and more than 70 PGA Tour events.* Frank Robinson. The current manager of the Washington Nationals, Robinson won most valuable player awards in both the American and National leagues. He broke the color barrier for managers, becoming the first black manager in Major League Baseball in 1975.* Paul Rusesabagina. The hotelier's life was the subject of the movie "Hotel Rwanda," which depicted his courage and compassion in sheltering people at the hotel he managed during the 1994 Rwandan genocide. Jack Nicklaus? How is playing golf now worthy of a "Freedom" medal? Sounds like a pretty worthless medal. [ Reply to ThisRe:Jack Nicklaus? by pipingguy (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:37PMRe:Jack Nicklaus? by Mishra100 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @05:09PMPeople's Choice by DumbSwede (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:47PMRe:Jack Nicklaus? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:53PMRe:Jack Nicklaus? by Surt (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:05PMRe:Jack Nicklaus? by Keaster (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @08:49PM In other news... (Score:3, Interesting) by sdo1 (213835) on Sunday November 06, @12:58PM (#13963540) (Last Journal: Tuesday April 08, @10:19PM) API - Washington, DC. The FBI and local authorities today arrested Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn at the behest of the MPAA and RIAA. "Their design of the software code used to transmit data over the Internet has cost the entertainment industry hundreds of billions of dollars in annual losses." said MPAA president Dan Glickman. "These two thugs deserve what's coming to them in prison." added RIAA president Cary Sherman. Meanwhile, Sherman and Glickman, working with congressional leaders, have drafted a bill to add "design of internet software" to the list of federal crimes eligible for the death penalty. "The crimes of Al Gore will not go unpunished." said Republican House leader Tom DeLay. "He invented this internet thing and it's destroying our way of life." [ Reply to ThisRe:In other news... by commo1 (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @01:52PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. What about Jon Postel? (Score:3, Interesting) by merc (115854) on Sunday November 06, @12:58PM (#13963543) (http://upt.org/lane) Yes, he [isoc.org] has passed away but he could have been given the award posthumously. [ Reply to ThisRe:What about Jon Postel? by CyricZ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:04PM Thank god for speechwriters... (Score:3, Funny) by jpellino (202698) on Sunday November 06, @01:30PM (#13963702) Bush's original draft read "that whole deal used to transmogrify data over teh Interweb" [ Reply to ThisMOD PARENT FUNNY by NorwBlue (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @03:42PM Irony? (Score:2, Insightful) by Drasil (580067) on Sunday November 06, @01:41PM (#13963765) The man at the head of the world's largest heirarchical power structure gives out "Freedom" medals. [ Reply to This "You're doing a heck of a job, Bobbie, Vintie..." (Score:4, Interesting) by sakusha (441986) on Sunday November 06, @01:41PM (#13963769) The Medal of Freedom is generally considered the Kiss of Death to any career. But consider that Cerf was already awarded the National Medal of Technology by Bill Clinton in 1997. At least Cerf and Kahn got the Turing Award, which came with a $100k cash prize. [ Reply to ThisNaw by sheldon (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:24PM If you don't find this 'Newsworthy'... (Score:5, Insightful) by Mulletproof (513805) on Sunday November 06, @01:54PM (#13963829) (http://www.dreamops.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday October 02, @10:05AM) "This is newsworthy?"Well let's see, these people only helped create a system that has not only impacted millions of people worldwide, but changed the nature of information dissemination and business commerce for you, your kids and their kids. You tell me if this is news worthy. On second thought, let me tell you. It's nothing short of revolutionary. Then you go about discrediting an example of another award, as if it somehow makes this any less newsworthy or deserving of recognition when it really has nothing to do with anything.Yeah, some people will find the shit in anything if it's labelled Microsoft, Bush or [insertyourfavoritenamebrandehere], regardless of how deserving it is.. I thought we marked crap like this 'trolls'... [ Reply to ThisMod parent troll by kmmatthews (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:27PMAGREED, mod parent TROLL by cataclyst (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @03:36PM Well, the real question is... (Score:2, Funny) by msormune (808119) on Sunday November 06, @02:32PM (#13964041) Is it better than the Amulet of Yendor? What are the stat raises with one of these? [ Reply to ThisRe:Well, the real question is... by weston (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @06:32PM And they say...... (Score:2) by 8127972 (73495) on Sunday November 06, @02:44PM (#13964108) ......That Bush doesn't have a brain. I think this proves all of the naysayers wrong. Cheney must have had to stay up all night to come up with this. [ Reply to This A Political Statement (Score:4, Interesting) by Steve B (42864) on Sunday November 06, @02:59PM (#13964218) (http://www.speakeasy.net/~sbrinich) Bush is underscoring the US position: we built it; you furriners who want to control it [slashdot.org] can go install a CAT5 cable where the sun don't shine. [ Reply to ThisRe:A Political Statement by Tetard (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @03:23PM Stupid name for the award... (Score:3, Informative) by Goonie (8651) * <.robert.merkel. .at. .benambra.org.> on Sunday November 06, @08:34PM (#13966194) (http://benambra.org/) Look, if you're going to have awards specifically for people who contributed to Freedom, use the word "Freedom" in the award. But Jack Nicklaus was a professional golfer who went on to career in designing golf courses. He's contributed precisely zero to "freedom" (IIRC, he refused to play in South Africa in the 1970's when the sporting boycotts began to be enforced. That was the right thing to do, but hardly exceptional).Rename the damn award the "Presidential Medal of Achievement" or "Presidential Medal of Service", and then it won't be so incongruous to give it to golfers.I do have to wonder about giving the highest civilian award to Nicklaus, whatever it's called. He was a great golfer, sure. But he was very, very well renumerated for that, and won all manner of sporting awards. Did he do something exceptional beyond that to improve the lives of Americans in any way? I don't think so. But, hey, it's your country, and my own is hardly pure as snow on this kind of thing... The easiest way to become Australian of the Year is to captain the Australian cricket team... [ Reply to This I get it (Score:2) by vandan (151516) on Sunday November 06, @09:00PM (#13966327) (http://entropy.homelinux.org/) Dubya presenting a medal of freedom.It's like Bill Gates presenting a medal of competition, or Mary Magdeline presenting a medal of promiscuity.Why couldn't Dubya give a medal to some of the thousands of fallen US soldiers that died executing his illegal war of aggression? Of course I don't expect it to go to anyone who works at Guantanimo Bay or anything, but what exactly do you have to do to get one of these freedom chimes again? [ Reply to ThisRe:I get it by /dev/trash (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:22PM8 replies beneath your current threshold.