An anonymous reader writes "The Ubuntu Below Zero conference is in full momentum this week and Kubuntu has been prominent throughout. In his opening remarks at the start of the conference Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth announced that he was now using Kubuntu on his desktop machine and said he wanted Kubuntu to move to a first class distribution within the Ubuntu community. Free CDs for Kubuntu through shipit should be available for the next release if the planned Live CD Installer removes the need for a separate install CD."Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_xp='';Ads_yp='';Ads_xp1='';Ads_yp1='';Ads_par='';Ads_cnturl='';Ads_prf='page=article';Ads_channels='RON_P6_IMU';Ads_wrd='kde,linux';Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_sec=0; Shuttleworth's Commitment to Kubuntu and KDE Log in/Create an Account | Top | 236 comments | Search Discussion Display Options Threshold: -1: 236 comments 0: 233 comments 1: 183 comments 2: 125 comments 3: 31 comments 4: 13 comments 5: 9 comments Flat Nested No Comments Threaded Oldest First Newest First Highest Scores First Oldest First (Ignore Threads) Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. The only major KDE distro? (Score:5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 06, @09:57AM (#13962704) So, with the earlier announcement that Novell/SUSE is giving up KDE in favour of Gnome, does this mean that Kubuntu is now the only major KDE-based Linux distribution? How far can they get on Shuttleworth's money, when all the big boys are throwing their money behind Gnome? I would bet that whatever the advantages of Kubuntu on technical and usability fronts are, they must be years away from profitability. Can Shuttleworth alone keep it afloat until they turn the business side around? [ Reply to This Re:The only major KDE distro? (Score:5, Informative) by datadriven (699893) on Sunday November 06, @10:04AM (#13962726) (http://www.daytonalinux.com/) Slack still ships with KDE as main desktop, if you use X anyway. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:The only major KDE distro? by poulbailey (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @10:06AMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Jason Earl (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:20AM Must-have KDE apps (Score:5, Interesting) by billybob2 (755512) on Sunday November 06, @12:21PM (#13963358) The real issue is who is going to pay for the next generation of KDE development if SuSE isn't going to pay. Mandrake, Kubuntu/Mark Shuttleworth, Trolltech seem realize the value of KDE's superior architecture, on which many must-have KDE apps have been built. These apps don't have any gnome equivalents that are nearly as useful and feature-rich:AmaroK music player [kde.org] -- Steve Jobs' nightmare, the single greatest threat to Itunes on the Free Software platform.K3b [k3b.org] -- Best CD and DVD authoring program with intuitive wizards, on the fly transcoding between WAV, MP3, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis, normalization of volume levels, CDDB, DVD Ripping and DivX/XviD encoding, Save/load projects, automatic hardware detection/calibration and much more.DigiKam [sourceforge.net] -- The most feature-rich application for digital photo management.Wireless Assistant [kde-apps.org] -- Most user-friendly app for connecting to wireless networks. Managed Networks Support, WEP Encryption Support, Per Network (AP) Configuration Profiles, Automatic (DHCP, both dhcpcd and dhclient) and manual configuration options, Connection status monitoring, etcKDE Education [kde.org] -- Educational (Science, Literature, Geography, etc) programs for children. Could play a big role in whether school districts decide to use Free Software in their classrooms.Konqueror File Manager [konqueror.org] -- Embeded image/PDF/music/video viewing (via KMPlayer) and a tree-view arrangement of the filesystem familiar to Windows users (Nautilus doesn't come anywhere close)KDE Control Center [kde.org] -- Centralized location for desktop control. Controls _all_ common aspects of the KDE applications: language, power settings, special effects, icon and window themes, shadows, shortcuts, printers, privacy, etc. This is what makes KDE so well integrated -- all KDE apps respect changes made here, so they all have the same feel. SUSE has even made YAST a module of the KDE control center so users can access distro-specific settings from here. Compare this to the dismembered approach Red Hat (and other gnome distros) have been forced to adopt in the absence of a centralized gnome control center. (ie. a bunch of individial programs named redhat-config-**** that nobody can ever remember)Seamless, transparent network file access [kde.org] on SMB, FTP, SSH and WebDav networks from _any_ KDE application.Kaffeine [sourceforge.net] -- The most polished FOSS movie player.MythTV [mythtv.org] -- The most advanced analog and digital TV viewer/recorder in the Free Software world (built using QT).Baghira [sourceforge.net] -- A native QT style that faithfully imitates OS X eyecandy, aimed at new users coming from the Mac world.Klik [atekon.de] -- Gives non-expert access to bleeding edge versions of apps without requiring any compilation or permanent installation.KDE and QT also make up a technically superior platform for developers, drastically lowering the learning curve for programmers new to FOSS development. KDE apps can be built from the ground up using the best development tools in the Free Software world (which also happen to be built on QT/KDE):Kdevelop [kdevelop.org] for syntax highlighting, application templates, and project organization.Read the rest of this comment... [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Must-have KDE apps by thumperward (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @01:39PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by rm69990 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:50PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by Lucractius (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @08:57PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by rm69990 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @09:18PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Must-have KDE apps by molnarcs (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:41PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:59PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by SirTalon42 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:52PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by Arkaein (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @06:15PMRe:Must-have KDE apps by Lucractius (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @09:17PMIntegration != Bloat by CarpetShark (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @06:21PMRe:Integration != Bloat by Lucractius (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @09:28PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Must-have KDE apps by PitaBred (Score:2) Monday November 07, @12:55AM AmaroK = Threat to iTunes? Whatever! (Score:4, Insightful) by SeaFox (739806) on Sunday November 06, @02:12PM (#13963949) AmaroK music player [kde.org] -- Steve Jobs' nightmare, the single greatest threat to Itunes on the Free Software platform.Not to troll here, but how exactly is an OSS Linux music player a threat to iTunes?Does Amarok run on Windows or MacOSX? (no)Does iTunes run on Linux? (no)How much does AmaroK cost? (FREE)How much does iTunes cost? (FREE)Does Amarok allow easy updating/syncing of an iPod? (no)How many people will abandon their cache of Fairplay DRMed music for a new application?(kind of a trick question, given neither player will run on the other's platform)Saying Amarok is a threat to iTunes is like saying an independant movie theater in Russia is a threat to a U.S. movie theater conglomerate. It's also like that often repeated phrase "iPod Killer": a claim often made, never delivered. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:AmaroK = Threat to iTunes? Whatever! by russint (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @05:14PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Must-have KDE apps by goofyheadedpunk (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @06:41PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The only major KDE distro? by Klivian (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @01:23PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by level_headed_midwest (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:44PM Re:The only major KDE distro? (Score:5, Informative) by c_fel (927677) on Sunday November 06, @10:06AM (#13962732) (http://sitekreator.com/chenier) There's still Mandriva, Knoppix and surely some more. And don't forget that a lot of distributions are not KDE- or GNOME-centric [ Reply to This | ParentRe:The only major KDE distro? by moranar (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:39AM Knoppix, Linspire, Xandros, MEPIS (Score:5, Insightful) by Burz (138833) on Sunday November 06, @11:45AM (#13963181) I look at them all as variations on Debian which are KDE-focused, though I tend to stick with Xandros.Kubuntu Breezy should not be mailed out for free until it is fixed. Any Linux distro that always fails to save the LAN gateway address you type in isn't worth the CD its burned on. Plus the dialogs that cannot be fully viewed on an XGA screen (with plenty of empty space in the dialogs) plus a host of other problems I ran into within the first 90 min of use. (Yes, I filed those bugs. You're welcome.) So in short, they didn't test it.Kubuntu is *very* nice looking though. That aspect is top-notch.OTOH even as a KDE fan I'm glad Novel chose one desktop, Gnome. Every distro should chose one desktop. Its unnerving when you try out a distro as prestigious as SuSE 10 and you can't delete any files from Konqueror because "Protocol 'Trash' does not exist".As a Corel-> Xandros Linux user going back to 1999, I can say that watching the lack of focus and sloppy execution on these other 'portentious' distros (you know who they are) has been absolutely comic.I have to wonder if Ubuntu will suffer by elevating KDE to the level of Gnome. [ Reply to This | ParentRe:Knoppix, Linspire, Xandros, MEPIS by angrykeyboarder (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @06:22PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.European users can lend support. by CyricZ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @10:34AMRe:European users can lend support. by thumperward (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:17AMI'm sorry. You're wrong on this matter. by CyricZ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:24AMRe:I'm sorry. You're wrong on this matter. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:40AMRe:European users can lend support. by tricorn (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:47PMRe:European users can lend support. by CyricZ (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @10:55AMRe:European users can lend support. by petermgreen (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:20PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Mepis, Xandros by nurb432 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:48AMMepis uses KDE as well... by clayasaurus (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:48AMRe:The only major KDE distro? by christoph_s (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:41PMSuse is still KDE (and gnome) by Blu-Ray (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:27PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Arandir (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @01:35PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by JonJ (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:53PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by timbo234 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @05:39PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Master of Transhuman (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:02PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by timbo234 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @06:06PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:46AMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Elektroschock (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:04PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by thumperward (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:42PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The only major KDE distro? by Elektroschock (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @11:19AMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Silverlancer (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:32AMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Elektroschock (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:22PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by NicklessXed (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:37AMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:38PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:39PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by jbolden (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:11PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:28PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by jbolden (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @06:21PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Master of Transhuman (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:17PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by IntlHarvester (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @04:45PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Elektroschock (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:39PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by NicklessXed (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:03PMRe:The only major KDE distro? by Master of Transhuman (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:14PM3 replies beneath your current threshold. The user should not have to care (Score:5, Insightful) by David Gerard (12369) on Sunday November 06, @10:14AM (#13962762) (http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/) I'm using Ubuntu Breezy with the GNOME desktop and I've installed all the kubuntu-desktop stuff as well.The major problem I can see is that the user should not even have to care whether a given app is GNOME, KDE or whatever. You set your fonts and colours in the GNOME control panel, then you start a KDE app and it looks like weird-arse shit. WTF?No serious open-source desktop these days can be all-GNOME or all-KDE; you need to make the mixture not affect the end user at all. They desperately need a unified look-and-feel control panel that will set this stuff consistently without the user having to care. [ Reply to ThisRe:The user should not have to care by Timbo (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @10:27AMRe:The user should not have to care by Rahga (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @10:32AMRe:The user should not have to care by laptop006 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @10:40AMRe:The user should not have to care by Rahga (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:50AM Re:The user should not have to care (Score:5, Insightful) by Bralkein (685733) <{moc.dlrowltn} {ta} {htrowgnilloh.kcaj}> on Sunday November 06, @10:48AM (#13962892) And nobody should have to pay for health insurance, and refrigerators should grow on trees. It's called utopia... I've never understood the people and culture behind KDE, never liked the KDE desktop. I prefer to use and contribute to GNOME. A lot of other contributors are just like me... They really don't have the time nor care about the way a KDE app looks on GNOME or vice versa. It simply is not that important. Well, now you're just being silly. Of course refrigerators growing on trees does not appear to be very far within the realms of possibility, but can you seriously not imagine a common colour-scheme configuration shared between the two desktops? It doesn't seem like madness to me, maybe you could just have a directory ~/.xtheme or something with files in there. I guess this wouldn't fit in with this registry-alike thing Gnome has (disclaimer: I know nothing about Gnome and may be wrong), but with a little discussion, I definitely think it would be possible to work something out... Oh, and without wanting to start a patriotic flamewar, there are many countries where nobody needs to get health insurance... so maybe the things that seem impossible are not as crazy as you think! [ Reply to This | ParentRe:The user should not have to care by Rahga (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:59AMRe:The user should not have to care by pivo (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:48AMRe:The user should not have to care by pivo (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:17AMRe:The user should not have to care by ashayh (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:32PMRe:The user should not have to care by Etyenne (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:53AMRe:The user should not have to care by Burz (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:16PMRe:The user should not have to care by jamstar7 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:26PM Re:The user should not have to care (Score:4, Insightful) by thumperward (553422) <thumperward@hotmail.com> on Sunday November 06, @11:19AM (#13963039) (http://thumper.kicks-ass.org/) And nobody should have to pay for health insuranceIt's interesting that you have this in the "impossible utopia" column. I don't have to pay for health insurance.  - Chris [ Reply to This | ParentRe:The user should not have to care by swillden (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @12:18PMRe:The user should not have to care by Reziac (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:07PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The user should not have to care by Arandir (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:42PMRe:The user should not have to care by colmore (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:49PMRe:The user should not have to care by Russ Nelson (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:57PMRe:The user should not have to care by killjoe (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:04PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The user should not have to care by James McGuigan (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:51PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Sounds like your installation is botched. by CyricZ (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @10:48AMRe:Sounds like your installation is botched. by PatrickThomson (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:38AMRe:Sounds like your installation is botched. by Steeltoe (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:28PMRe:Sounds like your installation is botched. by David Gerard (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @05:40PMRe:The user should not have to care by mickwd (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @10:52AMRe:The user should not have to care by nine-times (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:57AMIndeed! by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:13PMRe:The user should not have to care by Reziac (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:04PMRe:The user should not have to care by RAMMS+EIN (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:21AMTrivial by Urusai (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:37PMRe:The user should not have to care by Dasher42 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:59PMRe:The user should not have to care by rexfelis (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @02:28PMRe:The user should not have to care by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:37PMRe:The user should not have to care by Breakfast Pants (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:13PMRe:The user should not have to care by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:57PMRe:The user should not have to care by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @05:29PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:The user should not have to care by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @04:05PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.3 replies beneath your current threshold. what Ubuntu could do is... (Score:1) by FudRucker (866063) on Sunday November 06, @10:19AM (#13962784) make CD #1 mostly a base system with xorg and the basic x apps, similar to Slackware's #1 CD, and make a #2 CD with Gnome & KDE letting the user decide to install either Gnome and/or KDE, or users can just download the #1 CD install and get a basic OS booting, and download & install either gnome or kde via ftp after installing CD #1 [ Reply to ThisRe:what Ubuntu could do is... by laptop006 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @10:45AMRe:what Ubuntu could do is... by jamstar7 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:32PMRe:what Ubuntu could do is... by leonmergen (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:47AMErr... by BrokenHalo (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:07AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold. Ubuntu/Kubuntu (Score:2) by Stevyn (691306) on Sunday November 06, @10:19AM (#13962786) I've installed both. The computer to my right is running Ubuntu 5.10. It's really a great distro. Very clean, simple, easy to maintain, and "snappy". I installed Kubuntu a few months ago, and I feel it wasn't as polished as Ubuntu is. I think both projects are really good for the community and I'd love to see Kubuntu surpass the commercial distros like Suse and Mandriva. [ Reply to ThisRe:Ubuntu/Kubuntu by j0217995 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @06:16PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Let's have a nice flamewar again. (Score:1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 06, @10:25AM (#13962808) A companies preference is all about politics and has nothing to do with quality.For instance in de past there was a big effort in lobbying for Gnome.Does someone still remember the manipulation of Google in favour of Gnome by Miguel de Icaza and friends? At first Novell bought Miguel de Icaza (=Gnome). Later Novell bought Suse (=KDE). Inside Novell Miguel de Icaza spent all his time killing KDE. He behaves like a cuckoo. Getting KDE out of the nest... [ Reply to ThisRe:Let's have a nice flamewar again. by diprovo (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @10:30AMRe:Let's have a nice flamewar again. by Rahga (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @10:40AMRe:Let's have a nice flamewar again. by Klivian (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:06PMRe:Let's have a nice flamewar again. by RAMMS+EIN (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:35AM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Below Below Zero (Score:2) by Doc Ruby (173196) on Sunday November 06, @10:29AM (#13962824) (http://slashdot.org/~Doc%20Ruby/journal | Last Journal: Thursday March 31, @01:48PM) What are they using at UBZ to generate/maintain those schedule pages? I don't see any SW like that in my Ubuntu menu. [ Reply to This ARRRG. (Score:4, Insightful) by Visceral Monkey (583103) on Sunday November 06, @10:46AM (#13962882) Just as it seems we are making progress toward at least having ONE standard DE for most of the desktops used out there, Shuttleworth pulls this out of his ass. Seriously, Ubunutu is one of the reasons GNOME has made so much progress recently with users and now we are back to square one with splitting the userbase. Stupid move. I could care LESS which one they choose, just choose ONE. [ Reply to ThisRe:ARRRG. by nurb432 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:04AMRe:ARRRG. by idlake (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:22AMRe:ARRRG. by Jason Earl (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:23AMRe:ARRRG. by iggymanz (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:23AMRe:ARRRG. by kasparov (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:49PMRe:ARRRG. by petermgreen (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:37PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:ARRRG. by arkhan_jg (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @11:20AMRe:ARRRG. by iksrazal_br (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:24AMRe:ARRRG. by Narishma (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:41PMRe:ARRRG. by iksrazal_br (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @02:37PMRe:ARRRG. by rsheridan6 (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @11:41AMRe:ARRRG. by rsheridan6 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:14PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:ARRRG. by Stimpack (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @12:07PMRe:ARRRG. by Mad_Rain (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @12:50PMRe:ARRRG. by m50d (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:06PMRe:ARRRG. by spyfrog (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @05:26PMRe:ARRRG. by m50d (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @06:37PMRe:ARRRG. by Arandir (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:46PMRe:ARRRG. by Kjella (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:33PMRe:ARRRG. by adrianhensler (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @07:37PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. CUPS size (Score:2, Funny) by The Dirty Lemon (928935) on Sunday November 06, @10:56AM (#13962930) This is PERFECT! Now, if only the CUPS people could get their thing to work without the step in the instructions that tells me to pull all my hair out.... [ Reply to This1 reply beneath your current threshold. that's a mistake (Score:1) by idlake (850372) on Sunday November 06, @11:19AM (#13963036) I think technically, KDE is a good desktop, and it is popular in Europe. But no matter how good it is, KDE is simply is not going to happen as a mainstream commercial desktop as long as Qt is available only under the GPL and a commercial license. Gnome may be worse, but it isn't so much worse that it makes a difference to real-world users.I think it's a bad mistake for Ubuntu to support KDE on equal footing with Gnome; for the Linux desktop, the best thing is if people standardize on Gnome for now.The KDE developers should seriously think about developing the next generation Linux desktop, based on a an entirely new toolkit and new approach to doing things. [ Reply to ThisQT == GPL == Free Software by billybob2 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:42AMRe:QT == GPL == Free Software by Jesselnz (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:00PMRe:QT == GPL == Free Software by trollable (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @02:58PMRe:QT == GPL == Free Software by Kadin2048 (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:07PMRe:QT == GPL == Free Software by theCAS (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @03:14PMRe:QT == GPL == Free Software by kasparov (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @03:18PMRe:QT == GPL == Free Software by isilrion (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @09:01PMRe:that's a mistake by dc2447 (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @11:47AMRe:that's a mistake by ledow (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @12:01PMRe:that's a mistake by ledow (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @12:23PMRe:that's a mistake by IntlHarvester (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:49PMRe:that's a mistake by m50d (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @01:10PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:that's a mistake by victor_hch (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @07:15PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. Almost too bad (Score:5, Insightful) by RAMMS+EIN (578166) on Sunday November 06, @11:43AM (#13963169) (http://inglorion.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 06, @07:17AM) It's almost too bad that Shuttleworth is throwing his weight behind another project, instead of doing one thing and doing it well. Too bad, because the same effort could be used to make Ubuntu and the software that constitutes it even better. Almost, because it seems nobody else can make a distribution like Ubuntu*, so this move may give the KDE-lovers the same gift a lot earlier than if it had been left up to the rest of the world.* Certainly, nobody had managed to make a distribution that is as polished, hassle free, and freely available, before Ubuntu came. And it's not because of technical difficulties, Debian has had apt-get for ages, and other distros have had good installers for ages, and most of the software on Ubuntu has been around for quite some time, too. [ Reply to ThisHe is fishing for SuSE's KDE users by Burz (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @12:34PMRe:He is fishing for SuSE's KDE users by Reziac (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @11:12PMRe:Almost too bad by bcrowell (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @04:54PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. a source of inspiration (Score:1) by lotusleaf (928941) on Sunday November 06, @11:44AM (#13963176) (http://lotusleafslinks.tuxfamily.org/) Great news, thanks Mark Shuttleworth, we need more people like you. [ Reply to This Thank god (Score:3) by WhiteWolf666 (145211) on Sunday November 06, @12:02PM (#13963260) (Last Journal: Friday August 08, @07:47PM) Without KDE, I'm sure myself, my friends, and my company would be using Windows.Gnome doesn't do enough for the end user. Too many settings required mucking around in either the registry-like editor, or just plain command line things.I remember trying to use Gnome is SuSE 9.0, and not being able to figure out how to specify which app to use for which mime type. Someone politely informed me that this [fedoraforum.org] was the procedure to set default apps for various mime-types.Yeah, that's noob friendly. Apparently, wasn't 'fixed' in 2.10, either. Is it fixed now?Either way, lack of simple things like that, plus KDE's KIOslaves (which are beautiful, come on, who doesn't love fish:// or klik://), plus a far superior file browser (I've seen the gnome when I'm forced to load up a GTK app, which is rare).How do I open from a network location in gnome? Can it be done? (In the file browser?)Why don't I 'contribute' to the gnome project to make these things better? Simple: KDE already does them correctly for me.Do I mind that other people are happy with gnome, or prefer gnome? No. But all you gnome-heads should stop stomping on other people's Desktop Environments. Seriously; Gnome doesn't work for some of us.If the next OpenSuSE (which is my current distribution) has inferior KDE support, I'll be thrilled to move to a thriving Kubuntu.There's nothing wrong with Gnome, for those who use it. But for some of us, gnome just doesn't cut it. Gnome may be different, Gnome may be more 'unix'. But some of us who actually use Linux as our sole operating system rely on KDE, and couldn't imagine switching to gnome. [ Reply to ThisRe:Thank god by G-Licious! (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @02:42PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. I tried Kubuntu... (Score:1) by sweetnjguy29 (880256) on Sunday November 06, @12:32PM (#13963414) (Last Journal: Tuesday November 01, @01:25PM) ...and didn't like it. Unfortunately, the Ubuntu version of KDE did not "just work" right out of the box. Certain programs were broken...some internet interactivity was lost...and it screwed up my gnome based ubuntu sessions!That being said, I think the real reason I didn't like Kubuntu is that it wasn't "ubuntu"-like. It wasn't brown...and it didn't feel as homey, so to speak, as gnome does on Ubuntu. And it didn't feel as user friendly as gnome.Why isn't there an Xfce version of Ubuntu? There are tons of lightweight shells out there that work perfectly well ontop of Ubuntu...without breaking it like KDE does.All that being said...Gnome is like an older Mac interface...KDE is sorta like windows...and it seems to me that Shuttlesworth is trying to capture Windows users...so using a KDE interface seems like a good idea. But, honestly, KDE is too complicated for most windows users, IMHO. [ Reply to ThisRe:I tried Kubuntu... by m50d (Score:3) Sunday November 06, @01:16PMRe:I tried Kubuntu... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday November 06, @01:43PMRe:I tried Kubuntu... by Sri Ramkrishna (Score:2) Sunday November 06, @08:40PM1 reply beneath your current threshold. KDE has grown (Score:1) by zecg (521666) on Sunday November 06, @01:15PM (#13963632) I've been using KDE since 3.3.0 and it's grown incredibly in the last few releases. It's not just about a window manager and widgets, there are apps of consistently high quality for practically every purpose there, a well-thought out control panel, an unprecedented level of integration between applications, a great file browser, u.s.w. KDE is, thus far, closest to achieving the ideal of a feature-rich, user-friendly and stable Linux desktop. It is, in my most humble opinion, miles ahead of Gnome. [ Reply to This Damn, everyone comments on Gnome vs KDE... (Score:2) by BrookHarty (9119) on Sunday November 06, @01:57PM (#13963854) (http://www.ironwolve.com/ | Last Journal: Friday July 09, @12:59AM)